thread: ÌéêñÜ Ã*Ýá êáé rumors ãéá ôï PS5 all-in-one Thread

  1. #1381
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    ÄåÃ* å÷ïõìå áó÷ïëçèåé ìå ôïÃ* ç÷ï êáé óôï digital fountry video ðïõ åé÷á ðïóôáñåé öáÃ*çêáÃ* ðïëõ åÃ*èïõóéáóìåÃ*ïé.

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  2. #1382
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    "Here's what Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, and others have to say about the PS5 specs | GamesRadar+" https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/heres...the-ps5-specs/

    Áðü ôï Üñèñï êñÜôçóá ëßãï áõôü:

    That said, not everyone is happy with how both PlayStation and Microsoft have been communicating the power of their respective next-gen consoles, particularly when it comes to the word "teraflop."


    https://twitter.com/bigevilboss/stat...801924097?s=20

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    Ãéá ìÝÃ*á ÞôáÃ* îåêÜèáñï áðü ôçÃ* ðñþôç óôéãìÞ ðïõ åßäáìå ôï "ìßÃ*é-øõãåßï", üôé ç MS óêüðåõå Ã*á óðÜóåé ôï "ôåôñéììÝÃ*ï" ôïõ ãÃ*ùóôïý ìáò console form factor. Óå óõæçôÞóåéò åäþ êáé Ýîù áðü ôï forum, ôï ìüÃ*ï ðïõ Ýëåãá åßÃ*áé ôï "áñêåß ç Sony Ã*á äåßîåé ôï case (êïõôß) êáé èá êáôáëÜâïõìå ðïëëÜ".

    ÔåëéêÜ ìÜèáìå ôá spec êáé äåÃ* åßäáìå ôï "êïõôß".

    ÅßÃ*áé ðñïöáÃ*Ýò üôé ç MS äçëáäÞ ï Spencer êÜðùò Ýðåéóå ôïÃ* "ÉÃ*äü" Ã*á óêÜóåé ëåöôÜ (ðñïöáÃ*þò ëüãù cloud) ìéáò êáé ÝÃ*á Series X óôï blade server áÃ*ôéêáèéóôÜ 4 ôçò ðñïçãïýìåÃ*çò ãåÃ*éÜò.

    Ç Sony åß÷å ðñïöáÃ*þò Üëëåò ðñïôåñáéüôçôåò êáé óßãïõñá ü÷é ôïÃ* hardcore gamer åîïý êáé ïé áÃ*áôáñÜîåéò óôá ó÷üëéá óå üëá ôá fora ôïõ êüóìïõ êáé ü÷é ìüÃ*ï åäþ.

    ¹èåëå îåêÜèáñá ôï ãñÞãïñï "transisition" ëüãù... "ôéìÞò". Ôá Üëëá ðåñß Hardcore/Premium gamer êôë åîáöáÃ*ßóôçêáÃ* üðùò êáé áõôïß ðïõ ôá åîÝöñáóáÃ*.

    Áðü åêåß êáé ðÝñá ôá ðåñß SSD üóï êáé áÃ* áêïýãïÃ*ôáé åÃ*ôõðùóéáêÜ ãéá áìöüôåñá ôá óõóôÞìáôá, áò ìçÃ* îå÷Ã*Üìå üôé êáÃ*ÝÃ*áò ssd äåÃ* Ý÷åé ïýôå ôï Latency ïýôå ôï throughtput ôçò RAM.

    ÅßÃ*áé ìåÃ* Paradigm shift óôï coding üðùò ìáñôõñïýÃ* ðïëëÜ tweet áðü developers, 1st êáé 3rd Party, áëëÜ Ã*á ìçÃ* îå÷Ã*Üìå üôé o ôåëåõôáßïò ôñï÷üò óôçÃ* áëõóßäá áõôÞ ....åßÃ*áé ôï PC Gaming.

    Êáé ôï îáÃ*áëÝù - o SSD äåÃ* åßÃ*áé RAM. Ïé ëüãïé åõÃ*üçôïé.

    Áðü åêåß êáé ðÝñá - êáßôïé ïìéëßá óôçÃ* GDC áðü ôïÃ* Cerny, áëëÜ óôçÃ* äéÜëåîç åêôüò áðü ôï Pareto Rule (HDD) vs SSD ðïõ âëÝðáìå óå defraggers åäþ êáé 10 ÷ñüÃ*éá, èá ðåñßìåÃ*á áðáÃ*ôÞóåéò, ãéá ôï áÃ* õðïóôçñßæåé ôï PS5 ôå÷Ã*ïëïãßåò üðùò VRS (êáé ìÝ÷ñé ðoéo tier), ML (êáôÜ ôï DirectML óôï open source BSD ôïõ PS5) êáé ðïëëÜ Üëëá.

    ÅÃ* ôÝëåé ïýôå ôïõò ìåÃ* - ïýôå ôïõò äå éêáÃ*ïðïßçóå áðü üôé âëÝðù óôá ó÷üëéá óå ðéï åîåéäéêåõìÝÃ*á site ôå÷Ã*ïëïãßáò.

    ÔÝëïò ãéá ôá boost clocks áÃ* äåÃ* åßÃ*áé áÃ*ôéóôïé÷ßá ôïõ Hovis Method ôçò MS Þ êÜôé óáÃ* ôï Smartshift ôçò AMD, áëëÜ boosting áÃ*Üëïãá ôùÃ* ðáñáìÝôñùÃ* voltage/heat/clocks, èá õðÜñ÷ïõÃ* èÝìáôá óôïõò developers.

    Èá Ý÷ïõÃ* Performance target áõôüÃ* ðïõ æåé óôçÃ* ÉóëáÃ*äßá Þ áõôüÃ* ðïõ æåé óôçÃ* Íüôéá ÁöñéêÞ.

    ÌçÃ* ãåëéüìáóôå. PR ÞôáÃ* ãéá Ã*á äåßîïõÃ*å 2øÞöéï Ã*ïýìåñï TF.

    Ðéï "êïÃ*óïëÜäéêç" (Omg ôé áÃ*áãêÜæïìáé êáé ãñÜöù), åßÃ*áé ç ðñïóÝããéóç ôçò MS ôüóá ìå SMT - ôüóá ÷ùñßò.

    Ôá Playstation äåÃ* åßÃ*áé laptops.....

  5. #1384
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    https://sea.ign.com/hardware-1/15883...asure-of-power

    .....So don¢t get too tied up in the teraflops number just yet. The PS5 may very well be less powerful than the Xbox Series X, but this doesn¢t mean it¢s going to be exactly 18% slower when playing actual games—we need to wait for benchmarks until we can truly see how the two consoles stack up. Not to mention how exclusive games, form factor, or price may tip the scales of the overall picture.

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  6. #1385
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    ÐÜÃ*ôùò, ìüÃ*ï åìÝÃ*á ìå ÷áëÜåé ôï óçìáÃ*ôéêÜ ìåãáëýôåñï ìÝãåèïò ôïõ SeriesX (óå ó÷Ýóç ìå ïôé Ý÷ïõìå óõÃ*çèßóåé ìÝ÷ñé ôþñá äëä)? ÄçëáäÞ âáóéêü óõÃ* ìéáò êïÃ*óüëáò åßÃ*áé ôï portability ãéá ìÝÃ*á, ìéáò êáé óõÃ*Þèéæá Ã*á ôï ìåôáöÝñù óõ÷Ã*Ü. ÁöÞÃ*ïÃ*ôáò ôá specs áð Ýîù, ãéá ìÝÃ*á åßÃ*áé ðïëý óçìáÃ*ôéêü ìåéïÃ*Ýêôçìá. ¶ìá åßÃ*áé Ýôóé êïõâáëïýóá êáé ôï pc, äå èá êÜÃ*åé êáé ôñåëÞ äéáöïñÜ áÃ* åîáéñÝóåéò ôï âÜñïò. Åëðßæù Ã*á ìçÃ* ðÜåé óå ôÝôïéï design êáé ç Sony.

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    Åãù ôï ìïÃ*ï ðïõ ëåù, åéÃ*áé Ã*á ðåñéìåÃ*ïõìå ëéãáêé êáé Ã*á ìçÃ* ðñïôñå÷ïõìå. ÏôáÃ* âãåé åäù èá åéìáóôå êáé èá ôï êñéÃ*ïõìå ôï ðùò øõ÷åôáé ôï ðùò áêïõãåôáé êáé ôï ðùò áðïäéäåé. Ìå÷ñé ôïôå ïìùò, ÷ùñéò Ã*á å÷ïõìå äåé êáÃ* ôï óõóôçìá øõîçò, ïõôå êáÃ* ôï ó÷çìáó ôçò êïÃ*óïëáò, å åéÃ*áé õðåñâïëç Ã*á ìáò ðéáÃ*åé ôåôïéá áðïãïçôåõóç. ÄåÃ* èåùñù ïôé ç Sony äåÃ* îåñåé Ã*á öôéá÷Ã*åé êïÃ*óïëåò. ÇìáñôïÃ* leader ôçò âéïìç÷áÃ*éáò åéÃ*áé ñå óõ. ÁÃ* çôáÃ* ôïóï ôñáãéêá ôá ðñáãìáôá å äåÃ* èá çôáÃ* leader ìéá åôáéñåéá.

    Åðéóçò ãéáôé åéìáóôå ôïóï óéãïõñïé ïôé ôï × èá åéÃ*áé ôïóï êáëï óôçÃ* øõîç êáé äåÃ* èá ÷áëáåé êáé óôçÃ* ðïéïôçôá êáôáóêåõçò? Åãù èõìáìáé ôá 360 Ã*á ðåöôïõÃ* ôï åÃ*á ìåôá ôï áëëï ìå ôï RROD. Êáé å÷ù åÃ*á ôåñáóôéï ôïõâëï óôï óõÃ*èåôï ìïõ ðïõ åéÃ*áé ó÷åäïÃ* ïóï ôï PS2 slim (óéãïõñá ðéï âáñõ) êáé ôé åéÃ*áé? Ôñïöïäïôéêï... äçëáäç åÃ*ôáîåé. ÌçÃ* ìå ôñåëáéÃ*åôå ôùñá!

    Ãéá ôï × îåñïõìå ôá ðåñéóóïôåñá. Ãéá ôï 5 å÷ïõìå ðáñá ðïëëá åñùôçìáôéêá áêïìá. Åéôå ó÷åôéêá ìå hardware åéôå õðçñåóéåò êáé features. Áò ôá äïõìå ôïõëá÷éóôïÃ* ïëá êáé ìåôá áò áðïãïçôåõèïõìå.

    Áõôç ôç óôéãìç åãù Ã*éùèù ïôé ï óõÃ*ôñéðôéêïò ëïãïò ãéá ôïÃ* ïðïéï å÷ïõÃ* áðïãïçôåõèåé ïóïé å÷ïõÃ* áðïãïçôåõèåé åéÃ*áé åÃ*á êáé ìïÃ*ï ðñáãìá: 10.2 vs 12 Teraflops.
    Ç áðïãïÞôåõóç åßÃ*áé ç óõÃ*ïëéêç äõÃ*áìç, ü÷é ìüÃ*ï ôá teraflops, äåÃ* åßÃ*áé ÝÃ*á êáé ìüÃ*ï ðñÜãìá. Êáé ôåëïóðáÃ*ôùÃ* ðÝñá áðü óõãêñßóåéò ìå ôï XS, ðïëëïß èÝëáìå ÝÃ*á êáëýôåñï PS5. Áõôü êáé ôßðïôá Üëëï, ðÝñá áðü óõãêñßóåéò îáÃ*áëÝù.
    ¼óïÃ* áöïñÜ ôçÃ* øýîç, ôïÃ* èüñõâï êôë Ã*áé åÃ*Ã*ïåéôáé èá ðñÝðåé Ã*á ðåñéìÝÃ*ïõìå. ¸Ã*á ðñÜãìá èá ðñÝðåé Ã*á áðïöýãåé ç Sony. Íá ìçÃ* åðáÃ*áëÜâåé ôá ëÜèç ôïõ Ps4 pro, ôçò ôåëåõôáßáò ôçò êïÃ*óüëáò...äåÃ* ÷ñåéÜæåôáé Ã*á åðåêôáèþ ðáñáðÜÃ*ù, üëïé îÝñïõìå.
    Áðü ôçÃ* Üëëç, ôï ðáÃ*ôåëþò áèüñõâï × äåß÷Ã*åé ôï äñüìï óôçÃ* MS. Ç äïõëåéÜ ðïõ ÝêáÃ*å óôï X çôáÃ* õðïäåéãìáôéêç êáé áõôü èá ðñÝðåé Ã*á êÜÃ*åé êáé ôþñá óôï XS.

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    Ôï ïðïéï saturn(áëëá êáé ôï Í64)çôáÃ* ðéèáÃ*ïÃ* áÃ*ùôåñï áðï ôï ps1.
    Ôï Saturn çôáÃ* ÷åéñüôåñï áðü ôï ps1, ìüÃ*ï óôá 2d ãñáöéêÜ ôá ðÞãáéÃ*å êáëýôåñá. Óôï 3d ÞôáÃ* îåêÜèáñç ç äéáöïñÜ õðÝñ ôïõ ps1.
    Ôï N64 âãçêå ðåñßðïõ 2 ÷ñüÃ*éá ìåôÜ üðïôå äåÃ* ìðïñåß Ã*á ãßÃ*åé Üìåóç óýãêñéóç. ÁÃ* êáé åêåß ôï ps1 ìðïñïýóå Ã*á êÜÃ*åé êÜðïéá ðñÜãìáôá êáëýôåñá ëüãù ôïõ cartridge óôçÃ* êïÃ*óüëá ôçò Nintendo.

  9. #1388
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    Spoiler (ðáé÷íéäéá/ôáéíéåò/âéâëéá) -äåí ðá íá ÷åé âãåé 100 ÷ñïíéá ç ôáéíéá- = -rep

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    Ôï Saturn çôáÃ* ÷åéñüôåñï áðü ôï ps1, ìüÃ*ï óôá 2d ãñáöéêÜ ôá ðÞãáéÃ*å êáëýôåñá. Óôï 3d ÞôáÃ* îåêÜèáñç ç äéáöïñÜ õðÝñ ôïõ ps1.
    Ôï N64 âãçêå ðåñßðïõ 2 ÷ñüÃ*éá ìåôÜ üðïôå äåÃ* ìðïñåß Ã*á ãßÃ*åé Üìåóç óýãêñéóç. ÁÃ* êáé åêåß ôï ps1 ìðïñïýóå Ã*á êÜÃ*åé êÜðïéá ðñÜãìáôá êáëýôåñá ëüãù ôïõ cartridge óôçÃ* êïÃ*óüëá ôçò Nintendo.
    Káé óôï 3D èõìáìáé çôáÃ* êáëõôåño, áðëá ðïëõ ðéï äõóêïëá ôï åâëåðåò áõôï. ÌïÃ*ï óå exclusives.
    Eé÷å êáé êáðïéá multiplatform games ðïõ çôáÃ* êáëõôåñá óôï Saturn, ïðùò ôï Exhumed.

    Ná ðù ôçÃ* áìáñôéá ìïõ ôï N64 äåÃ* ìïõ áñåóå ðïôå. ÁÃ* êáé áÃ*ùôåñï hardware äåÃ* ìðïñïõóá Ã*á áÃ*ôåîù êáðïéåò öïñåò ôçÃ* èïëïõñá óôá textures. Ðñïôéìïõóá ôá pixels ðïõ ôñåìïðáéæáÃ*.
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  12. #1390
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    What I actually said on Kotaku Splitscreen about the PlayStation 5's specs

    These are both extremely impressive pieces of technology. But because of the way Sony has actually presented this thing and marketed this thing, now the narrative is 'The Xbox is way more powerful than the PlayStation,' and I think that is such a -- maybe fatal flaw on Sony's part for this console generation. Maybe it'll all be forgotten if the PS5 comes in cheaper, or it has a killer launch lineup, and maybe none of this will matter in November. Or maybe these consoles won't even be able to come out in November. But right now, it's such a dropping the ball after so many years of smart decisions on Sony's part.
    Right now, Sony is dropping the ball so hard in that they haven't talked about what games can actually do with this stuff, because their SSD advantages -- the stuff I'm hearing from developers is very different from what I'm seeing in Sony's marketing strategy, and that is mind-boggling to me. Because I don't want to be like, carrying Sony's water and be like "no, look at what this thing can actually do" but they're just failing so hard to convey that. It's frustrating to watch.

  13. Slay (19-03-2020)

  14. #1391
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    Ôï Üêïõóá ôï podcast ìüëéò äéÜâáóá ôï áñ÷éêü thread êáé äåÃ* ìðïñþ Ã*á êáôáëÜâù ãéáôß ôá ðÞñå ôüóï ï Schreier ìå áõôüÃ* ðïõ ÝêáÃ*å ôï thread. ÄåÃ* åßÃ*áé üôé Üëëáîå áõôÜ ðïõ Ýëåãå, áðëÜ Ý÷åé ðåñéóóüôåñç áÃ*Üëõóç ôï podcast, ÷ùñßò áõôü Ã*á áÃ*áéñåß Þ Ã*á ìåéþÃ*åé ôçÃ* óçìáóßá ôïõ áñ÷éêïý quote. Anyway..
    Spoiler (ðáé÷íéäéá/ôáéíéåò/âéâëéá) -äåí ðá íá ÷åé âãåé 100 ÷ñïíéá ç ôáéíéá- = -rep

  15. #1392
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    Káé óôï 3D èõìáìáé çôáÃ* êáëõôåño, áðëá ðïëõ ðéï äõóêïëá ôï åâëåðåò áõôï. ÌïÃ*ï óå exclusives.
    Eé÷å êáé êáðïéá multiplatform games ðïõ çôáÃ* êáëõôåñá óôï Saturn, ïðùò ôï Exhumed.

    Ná ðù ôçÃ* áìáñôéá ìïõ ôï N64 äåÃ* ìïõ áñåóå ðïôå. ÁÃ* êáé áÃ*ùôåñï hardware äåÃ* ìðïñïõóá Ã*á áÃ*ôåîù êáðïéåò öïñåò ôçÃ* èïëïõñá óôá textures. Ðñïôéìïõóá ôá pixels ðïõ ôñåìïðáéæáÃ*.
    Ìå ôçÃ* áìáñôßá èá ìåßÃ*åéò - ôçÃ* åìðåéñßá ôïõ N64 ðÜåé Ã*á óïõ äþóåé ç Sony áëëÜ äåÃ* ãßÃ*åôáé.

    PS: Ç èïëïýñá üÃ*ôùò åßÃ*áé åêåß áëëÜ åßÃ*áé Playable óÞìåñá, áÃ*ôßèåôá ìå ôï PS1. ÁÃ* èåò óïõ äáÃ*åßæù N64 ìå Ram expansion ãéá ôïõ ëüãïõ ôï áëçèÝò


  16. #1393
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    Ôï Üêïõóá ôï podcast ìüëéò äéÜâáóá ôï áñ÷éêü thread êáé äåÃ* ìðïñþ Ã*á êáôáëÜâù ãéáôß ôá ðÞñå ôüóï ï Schreier ìå áõôüÃ* ðïõ ÝêáÃ*å ôï thread. ÄåÃ* åßÃ*áé üôé Üëëáîå áõôÜ ðïõ Ýëåãå, áðëÜ Ý÷åé ðåñéóóüôåñç áÃ*Üëõóç ôï podcast, ÷ùñßò áõôü Ã*á áÃ*áéñåß Þ Ã*á ìåéþÃ*åé ôçÃ* óçìáóßá ôïõ áñ÷éêïý quote. Anyway..
    ÕðåýèõÃ*á åßÃ*áé ôá Post ôïõ ðïõ ðáñáöñÜóáÃ*å(?) óôï ERA üôé ïé êïÃ*óüëåò èá åßÃ*áé êïÃ*ôÜ êáé ôÝôïéá.

    Áõôü êáôÜëáâá.

    PS: (ÐñïóùðéêÞ ¶ðïøç) Ðïëëïß äçìïóéïãñÜöïé Ýôóé ôçÃ* ðáôÜÃ*å - äåÃ* Ý÷ïõÃ* ãÃ*þóåéò ãéá ôá machines êáé áêüìá êáé ç ÜðïøÞ ôïõò åßÃ*áé åêôüò áðü ôå÷Ã*éêÜ faulty - óôçñéãìÝÃ*ç óå áõôÜ ðïõ ôïõò ëÝÃ*å.

    ÌüÃ*ï ôï DF äåÃ* ôóßìðçóå êáé ÞôáÃ* on-point áëëÜ Ý÷ïõÃ* êáé ÝÃ*á ôå÷Ã*ïëïãéêü õðüâáèñï ãÃ*þóåùÃ*.

  17. #1394
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    Ìå ôçÃ* áìáñôßá èá ìåßÃ*åéò - ôçÃ* åìðåéñßá ôïõ N64 ðÜåé Ã*á óïõ äþóåé ç Sony áëëÜ äåÃ* ãßÃ*åôáé.

    PS: Ç èïëïýñá üÃ*ôùò åßÃ*áé åêåß áëëÜ åßÃ*áé Playable óÞìåñá, áÃ*ôßèåôá ìå ôï PS1. ÁÃ* èåò óïõ äáÃ*åßæù N64 ìå Ram expansion ãéá ôïõ ëüãïõ ôï áëçèÝò
    Åé÷á ðñïóâáóç ôïôå, ðçãáéÃ*áìå óå óðéôéá êôë. ÄåÃ* ìå ôñåëáéÃ*å Ã*á óïõ ðù ôçÃ* áëçèåéá. Ôï Mario êáé ôï Waverace óôåêïÃ*ôáé ðñáãìáôé êáëá. Ïìùò åãù áêïìá êáé óçìåñá èá åðáéæá TR óå emulator.
    Áõôï ðïõ äåÃ* ìïõ áñåóå åéÃ*áé ïôé äåÃ* åâëåðá ñåáëéóôéêá ÷ñùìáôá. Íôå êáé êáëá åðñåðå Ã*á äù êáñôïõÃ*éóôéêá.
    https://pixelkin.org/wp-content/uplo...1483633023.jpg
    Aõôï ìïõ åâãáæå êáôé ðéï ñåáëéóôéêï.
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  18. #1395
    PS4forums Fanatic
    Jan 2008
    ÃëõöÜäá
    3,268
    PSN ID
    kostasb13
    Name
    Êþóôáò

    Káé óôï 3D èõìáìáé çôáÃ* êáëõôåño, áðëá ðïëõ ðéï äõóêïëá ôï åâëåðåò áõôï. ÌïÃ*ï óå exclusives.
    Eé÷å êáé êáðïéá multiplatform games ðïõ çôáÃ* êáëõôåñá óôï Saturn, ïðùò ôï Exhumed.

    Ná ðù ôçÃ* áìáñôéá ìïõ ôï N64 äåÃ* ìïõ áñåóå ðïôå. ÁÃ* êáé áÃ*ùôåñï hardware äåÃ* ìðïñïõóá Ã*á áÃ*ôåîù êáðïéåò öïñåò ôçÃ* èïëïõñá óôá textures. Ðñïôéìïõóá ôá pixels ðïõ ôñåìïðáéæáÃ*.
    ¼÷é äéáöùÃ*ù
    ¸÷ïÃ*ôáò äåé êÜðïéá âßÃ*ôåïò óôï ðáñåëèüÃ* ðïõ ìéëïýÃ* ãéá ôçÃ* éóôïñßá ôùÃ* êïÃ*óïëùÃ*, ôï ps1 ÞôáÃ* áÃ*þôåñï, ðéï éêáÃ*ü óôï 3d. ÖáßÃ*åôáé êáé óôçÃ* ìåãÜëç ðëåéïøçößá ôùÃ* ðáé÷Ã*éäéþÃ* áõôü. Ôï ëÜèïò ôçò Sega ôüôå ÞôáÃ* üôé Ýäùóå ìåãáëýôåñç óçìáóßá óôï 2d ôüôå áð' üôé Ýðñåðå êáé åÃ*ù ìðáßÃ*áìå óôçÃ* åðï÷Þ ôïõ 3d.
    Ãéá ôï N64 èá óõìöùÃ*çóù. ¼ëá ìá üëá ôá ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá åß÷áÃ* áõôÞ ôç èïëïýñá ðïõ ëåò, áðü ôï Zelda ìÝ÷ñé ôá áèëçôéêÜ ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá üðùò ôï Iss. Ìå ôÝôïéï compression ðïõ Ýðåöôå ëüãù cartridge ÞôáÃ* ëïãéêü.
    Áêüìá êáé óÞìåñá üôáÃ* âëÝðïõìå êáêá textures ëÝìå n64 like...

  19. #1396
    Moderator
    May 2007
    Athens
    20,548
    PSN ID
    PDS_13

    ¼÷é äéáöùÃ*ù
    ¸÷ïÃ*ôáò äåé êÜðïéá âßÃ*ôåïò óôï ðáñåëèüÃ* ðïõ ìéëïýÃ* ãéá ôçÃ* éóôïñßá ôùÃ* êïÃ*óïëùÃ*, ôï ps1 ÞôáÃ* áÃ*þôåñï, ðéï éêáÃ*ü óôï 3d. ÖáßÃ*åôáé óôçÃ* ìåãÜëç ðëåéïøçößá ôùÃ* ðáé÷Ã*éäéþÃ* áõôü. Ôï ëÜèïò ôçò Sega ôüôå ÞôáÃ* üôé Ýäùóå ìåãáëýôåñç óçìáóßá óôï 2d ôüôå áð' üôé Ýðñåðå êáé áöïý ìðáßÃ*áìå óôçÃ* åðï÷Þ ôïõ 3d.
    Ãéá ôï N64 èá óõìöùÃ*çóù. ¼ëá ìá üëá ôá ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá åß÷áÃ* áõôÞ ôç èïëïýñá ðïõ ëåò, áðü ôï Zelda ìÝ÷ñé ôá áèëçôéêÜ ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá üðùò ôï Iss. Ìå ôÝôïéï compression ðïõ Ýðåöôå ëüãù cartridge ÞôáÃ* ëïãéêü.
    Êáé âÝâáéá üëïé îÝñïõìå üôé áêüìá êáé óÞìåñá üôáÃ* âëÝðïõìå êáêá textures ëÝìå n64 like...
    Åãù ôá åé÷á êáé 2!
    ôï PDSaga åäåé÷Ã*å öáÃ*ôáóôéêï óôï Saturn, Ðñïóùðéêá ôï åâñéóêá êáëõôåñï áðï ïôé õðçñ÷å óôï PS1. Âåâáéá ôï PS1 åé÷å ôñåëç õðïóôçñîç êáé ðñïò ôï ôåëïò åâãáëå äéáìáÃ*ôáêéá ïðôéêá.
    Êáëá äåÃ* åé÷áÃ* ìåãáëåò äéáöïñåò åôóé êáé áëëéùò.
    Íáé óéãïõñá åêáÃ*å ëáèïò êáé åäùóå ìåãáëõôåñç âáóç óôï 2D. ÁÃ* èõìáìáé óùóôá åãéÃ*áÃ* áëëáãåò ôåëåõôáéáò óôéãìçò ãéá ôï 3D.

    Ná èõìéóù ïôé ôï Shenmue å÷åé ìéá åêäïóç ôïõ óôï Saturn óôá áñ÷éêá óôáäéá. ÐñïïñéæïôáÃ* ãéá åêåé. Ñéîå ìéá ìáôéá ðùò åäåé÷Ã*å.
    Tá ðñïóùðá ãéá ôçÃ* åðï÷ç çôáÃ* áëëï level.

    Êáé óôáìáôáù ôï off topic.
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  20. kostasb13 (19-03-2020)

  21. #1397
    Banned PS4forums Addict
    Nov 2017
    2,348

    ¼÷é äéáöùÃ*ù
    ¸÷ïÃ*ôáò äåé êÜðïéá âßÃ*ôåïò óôï ðáñåëèüÃ* ðïõ ìéëïýÃ* ãéá ôçÃ* éóôïñßá ôùÃ* êïÃ*óïëùÃ*, ôï ps1 ÞôáÃ* áÃ*þôåñï, ðéï éêáÃ*ü óôï 3d. ÖáßÃ*åôáé êáé óôçÃ* ìåãÜëç ðëåéïøçößá ôùÃ* ðáé÷Ã*éäéþÃ* áõôü. Ôï ëÜèïò ôçò Sega ôüôå ÞôáÃ* üôé Ýäùóå ìåãáëýôåñç óçìáóßá óôï 2d ôüôå áð' üôé Ýðñåðå êáé åÃ*ù ìðáßÃ*áìå óôçÃ* åðï÷Þ ôïõ 3d.
    Ãéá ôï N64 èá óõìöùÃ*çóù. ¼ëá ìá üëá ôá ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá åß÷áÃ* áõôÞ ôç èïëïýñá ðïõ ëåò, áðü ôï Zelda ìÝ÷ñé ôá áèëçôéêÜ ðáé÷Ã*ßäéá üðùò ôï Iss. Ìå ôÝôïéï compression ðïõ Ýðåöôå ëüãù cartridge ÞôáÃ* ëïãéêü.
    Áêüìá êáé óÞìåñá üôáÃ* âëÝðïõìå êáêá textures ëÝìå n64 like...
    ÄåÃ* ÞôáÃ* compression - ÞôáÃ* antializing!

  22. #1398
    Forum GOD
    Apr 2008
    ÁèÞíá
    10,889
    PSN ID
    Lefteris_X

    Íá óõìðëçñþóù óôï ïööôïðéê, ðùò ôï Saturn åß÷å ó÷åäéáóôåß åî áñ÷Þò ùò 2D óýóôçìá, ãé' áõôü êáé ðÝôáãå ôá ìÜôéá ôïõ PSX Ýîù üóï áöïñÜ ôá 2D.

    ÅÃ*ôïýôïéò, ôï 3D óôï Saturn ÞôáÃ* ùò êÜôé "åðéðëÝïÃ*" êáé ìÜëéóôá ìå éäéïìïñößá óôïÃ* ðñïãñáììáôéóìü.

    Áðü ðëåõñÜò CPU (2xHitachi SH2 RISC@28MHz) ÞôáÃ* äõÃ*áôüôåñï áðü ôï PSX (MIPS R10000@33Mhz).

    Ôï äå PSX åß÷å üìùò ðïëý ðéï advanced 3D chip + ÝÃ*á áðßóôåõôï "áðïóõìðéåóôÞ" ãéá data ðïõ ëåéôïõñãïýóå ùò MPEG decoder êáé ôáõôü÷ñïÃ*á áðïóõìðßåæå ôá äåäïìÝÃ*á áðü ôï CD-ROM (ç ôå÷Ã*éêÞ õðÜñ÷åé ìÝóá óôá PS5/XsX, ôï êýêëùìá ìÝóá ãéá áðïóõìðßåóç êáôÜ zlib/kraken óôïõò SSD).

    ÅÃ* ïëßãïéò ôï Saturn ÝêáÃ*å êÜðïéá ðñÜãìáôá óå 2D ðïõ ôï PSX ìå ôßðïôá äåÃ* ìðïñïýóå, áÃ*ôßèåôá ôï PSX ìðïñïýóå Ã*á êÜÃ*åé óå 3D ðñÜìáôá ðïõ äåÃ* ìðïñïýóå ìå ôßðïôá ôï Saturn.
    ÅðåéäÞ üìùò ç åðï÷Þ (áÃ*þñéìá êáô' åìÝ) ìåôÝâáéÃ*å ìå ôï óôáÃ*éü áðü 2D óå 3D, ôï Saturn ôïÃ* "Þðéå".


    ¼óï áöïñÜ ôï N64, åß÷å ðïëý êáëýôåñá textures áðü áõôÜ ôïõ PSX. Ç "èïëïýñá" ðïõ ëÝôå, äåÃ* åßÃ*áé èïëïýñá áëëÜ ôá bilinear êáé trilinear ößëôñá ãéá Ã*á ìçÃ* ðéîåëéÜæïõÃ* ôá textures (üðùò óôï PSX). ÁðáéôïýÃ* üìùò áñêåôÞ RAM þóôå ôá ößëôñá Ã*á áðïäþóïõÃ* óùóôÜ áõôü ðïõ ìðïñïýÃ* Ã*á áðïäþóïõÃ*. Ôï Í64 äåÃ* åß÷å åðÜñêåéá óå RAM. Êáé ôï PSX 3D chip åß÷å bi/trilinear áëëÜ äåÃ* ôá ÷ñçóéìïðïéïýóáÃ* êáèþò äåÃ* åðáñêïýóå ç RAM.

    Ïðüôå ôå÷Ã*éêÜ, ôï PSX ÞôáÃ* êáôþôåñï óå 2D áëëÜ áÃ*þôåñï óå 3D áðü ôï Saturn êáé ðáñÜëëçëá ÞôáÃ* êáôþôåñï óå 2D + 3D óå ó÷Ýóç ìå ôï N64 (áðëþò ôï N64 äåÃ* ìðïñïýóå Ã*á äåßîåé ôá ðñáãìáôéêÜ ôïõ äüÃ*ôéá ãéáôß ðåñéïñéæüôáÃ* áðü ôçÃ* Ýëëåéøç CD ìÝóïõ).

    ÅÃ*ôïýôïéò, ôï PSX åðåêñÜôçóå áêñéâþò ãéáôß üðùò åßðå ï Slay = software is King, ðáñüëï ðïõ äåÃ* ÞôáÃ* ôï äõÃ*áôüôåñï (óå êÜðïéá üìùò óõãêåêñéìÝÃ*á ðñÜãìáôá, ðáñÝìåÃ*å êïñõöáßï ôå÷Ã*éêÜ).

    Ôá ßäéá êáé ìå ôï PS2: óå áðüëõôá Ã*ïýìåñá ÞôáÃ* ôå÷Ã*éêÜ êáôþôåñï ôùÃ* Xbox/GameCube, óå êÜðïéá üìùò ôå÷Ã*éêÜ óôïé÷åßá êáé áðïäüóåéò (âëÝðå Ratchet, GT3/4) üìùò äåÃ* ðéáÃ*üôáÃ*.
    Ôé ÝãéÃ*å åÃ* ôÝëåé;
    Software is King.

    Áò åõ÷áñéóôçèïýÃ* üëïé ïé êÜôï÷ïé ôùÃ* Ã*ÝùÃ* êïÃ*óïëþÃ*, åßôå ëÝãåôáé Xbox åßôå PS5.

  23. Dragonpaul (20-03-2020),kostasb13 (20-03-2020),mihalis13 (19-03-2020),Sir_Teraflop (19-03-2020),thanosa75 (20-03-2020)

  24. #1399
    Moderator
    May 2007
    Athens
    20,548
    PSN ID
    PDS_13

    btw åðåéäç ôï áêïõù ôùñá, óôï 42 ëåðôï ðåñéðïõ áñ÷éæåé êáé ìéëáåé ãéá ôï PS5.

    ÕÃ.÷ì ìå åøçóå o jason. Åëðéæù Ã*á ìçÃ* ëååé ïôé ôïõ êáôåâåé.
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  25. #1400
    Stealth Moderator
    Jan 2008
    Outer Heaven
    32,600
    Name
    ÄçìÞôñçò

    Ñå óõ teraflop èá ìå ôñåëáÃ*åéò ÷á÷á! Äçëáäç åÃ*Ã*ïåéò ïôé ôï × åéÃ*áé ìç÷áÃ*çìá ãéá hardcores åÃ*ù ôï 5 åéÃ*áé ãéá ëáïõôæéêï; Åëá ñå óõ ôùñá... ðñùôá áðï ïëá ôï ôé åéÃ*áé hardcore èá ôï êáèïñçóïõÃ* êáé áõôï ôá ðáé÷Ã*éäéá ðñùôéóôùò. Êáé ìå ôá ìå÷ñé ôùñá äåäïìåÃ*á ç ÓïÃ*õ óéãïõñá áðåõèõÃ*åôáé óå hardcore gamers. Ôùñá áðï åêåé êáé ðåñá áêïìá êáé óå hardware óêçÃ*éêï Ã*á ìïõ ôï ëåò ôï hardcore, å óïññõ áëëá ìïõ èõìéæåéò ôçÃ* Master Race ðïõ åóõ ï éäéïò êïñïéäåõåéò ôåëåõôáéá... áò äïõìå ðñùôá ðïóá ôåñáöëïð ðåôáåé åðé ôçò ïõóéáò óôï ôñáðåæé ï åÃ*áò êáé ðïóá ï áëëïò êáé áò êñéÃ*ïõìå ôïôå êáôá ðïóï ôï åÃ*á ìç÷áÃ*çìá åéÃ*áé hardcore Þ ï÷é...

    áëëéùò áÃ* ôá óõæçôáìå ìå ôá ôùñéÃ*á äåäïìåÃ*á å÷ïõìå Ã*á êáÃ*ïõìå áðëá ìå ðåñéðôùóç ôïõ «èåëù Ã*á å÷ù ôá êáëõôåñá Ã*ïõìåñá êáé ïëá ôá áëëá åéÃ*áé äåõôåñåõïÃ*ôá» (ìéáò êáé áêïìá äåÃ* å÷ïõìå äåé ïõôå åÃ*á ðéîåë îáÃ*áëåù). Ðïõ êáé áõôï, ìçÃ* ðáñåîçãçèù, äåÃ* ôï èåùñù êáêï ïõôå ôï ÷ëåõáæù. Áëëá ôïõëá÷éóôïÃ* Ã*á îåñïõìå ôé ëåìå ìåôáîõ ìáò. Êé åãù áÃ* åâãáæå 2 SKUs ïðùò åéðá ðéï ðéóù èá åðáéñÃ*á ôï éó÷õñïôåñï. ÄåÃ* åéÃ*áé Ã*ôñïðç. Áëëá ï÷é êáé Ã*á êáÃ*ïõìå ëåò êáé ïôéäçðïôå êáôù äåÃ* áÃ*çêåé óôçÃ* êáôçãïñéá hardcore.

    ÄåÃ* îåñù ôé èåùñåéò ãéá ôï ×ÂÏ× × ãéá ðáñáäåéãìá áëëá èá ìå óõã÷ùñåóåéò èá óïõ ðù ìå âåâáéïôçôá ïôé ôá exclusives ôïõ PS4 time and again ôïõ äéÃ*ïõÃ* êáé êáôáëáâáéÃ*åé. Áðï Ã*åï benchmark óå Ã*åï benchmark ðáìå êáèå öïñá ìå ôá áñèñá ðïõ ãñáöïÃ*ôáé ãéá ôïÃ* ôå÷Ã*éêï ôïìåá ôùÃ* exclusives Ã*á îåðåñÃ*áÃ*å ôï åÃ*á ôï áëëï. Áðï uncharted óå horizon êáé ìåôá óå god of war, óå detroit, óå death stranding óå last of us 2 êáé áëëá ðïõ îå÷Ã*áù. Êáììéá áëëç êïÃ*óïëá óå áõôç ôç ãåÃ*éá äåÃ* çôáÃ* áÃ*ôéêåéìåÃ*ï ôåôïéùÃ* äéèõñáìâùÃ* ó÷åôéêá ìå ôïÃ* ôå÷Ã*éêï ôïìåá.

    Ôï × ðïëõ áðëá åðáéæå ìðáëá ìå áñéèìïõò. True 4k êáé ôá ñåóôá. Óïññõ áëëá äåÃ* áñêåé. Äéáëåãù checkerboard faux K every day of the week ïôáÃ* óõÃ*ïäåõåôáé áðï graphic fidelity ôõðïõ Sony exclusive.

    Êáé ðñáãìáôéêá åõ÷ïìáé óå áõôç ôç ãåÃ*éá ïé êéÃ*çóåéò ôçò MS ìå ôá Ã*åá óôïõÃ*ôéï Ã*á äùóïõÃ* êáôé áÃ*áëïãï ìå ÓïÃ*õ. Ðñáãìáôéêá ÷áñïõìåÃ*ïò èá çìïõÃ*. Ãéáôé ïðùò ïé êáôï÷ïé ôïõ ×ÂÏ× series X èá ëåÃ*å åõ÷áñéóôù ôïÃ* áÃ*ôáãùÃ*éóìï áðï ôçÃ* ÓïÃ*õ ðïõ åêáÃ*å ôçÃ* MS Ã*á åðåÃ*äõóåé ãéá ðñùôç öïñá ïõóéáóôéêá óå óôïõÃ*ôéï åôóé êáé ïé êáôï÷ïé PS5 èá ëåÃ*å åõ÷áñéóôù ôïÃ* áÃ*ôáãùÃ*éóìï áðï ôçÃ* MS ãéá ôéò õðçñåóéåò êáé ôá features.