Μη μου μιλας για 3d...ζαλιζομαι.εχεις δικιο σε ολα οσα λες. Δε νομιζω να παιταξει εκτος αυτες τις καρτες που ανεφερα συντομα. Αν διαβασεις το παραπανω ποστ μου, θα καταλαβεις τι λÝω. Στο pc βαζεις 16gb ram και εχεις 8πυρηνο στα 4ghz. Ολα αυτα ομως με πολυ κοστος, οπως εγραψα και παραπανω.
ΣτÜλθηκε απü το GT-I9300 μου χρησιμοποιþντας Tapatalk 2
Ps3: Zapee9950
Xbox360: Zapee995
Val ðÝèáíá(ãÝëáóá ðïëý) ìå ôï "ïýôå èá ìðïñåß íá êÜíåé Install'. Íáé ôï èÝìá åßíáé ðùò üíôùò ïé Pc USers ìðïñåß íá áðïëáìâÜíïõí êáëýôåñï ïðôéêü áðïôÝëåóìá áðü Ýíá óçìåßï êáé ìåôÜ, áëëÜ óßãïõñá áõôü èÝëåé áñêåôü ÷ñÞìá. Óôïí áíôßðïäá áí åßóáé heavy gamer, óôï PC ìðïñåßò íá áãïñÜóåéò ðáé÷íßäéá áêüìç êáé óôï 1/3 ôçò áîßáò ôïõò ìüëéò 2-3 ìÞíåò ìåôÜ áðü ôçí êõêëïöïñßá ôïõò (steam, gmg etc.) êáé ãåíéêüôåñá ôá ðáé÷íßäéá åßíáé 10% ðéï öèçíÜ óå áõôÞ ôçí ðëáôöüñìá. Ôï óçìáíôéêüôåñï ðÜíù áðü üëá ãéá åìÝíá åßíáé íá åßóáé áíïé÷ôüìõáëïò... êáé íá ìçí êïëëÜò óå fanboysmous.
Áðï ôá ïðïéá, óôï 80% ôùí ðáé÷íéäéùí, ôá 8GB ìíçìçò ðéíïõí êáöå êáé ïé 4 ðõñçíåò ðáéæïõí ôáâëé.Originally Posted by zapee995
Ìç ìïõ ìéëáò ãéá 3d...æáëéæïìáé
ÓôÜëèçêå áðü ôï GT-I9300 ìïõ ÷ñçóéìïðïéþíôáò Tapatalk 2
Ãåþñãéå Þ ôñïëëÜñåéò Þ åßóáé áäáÞò Þ êáé ôá 2 ìáæß... äéÜëåîå ôçí åñìçíåßá ðïõ óå âïëåýåé.
¸ãñáøá êÜôé ãéá DirectX overhead êáé ôï ðñïóðÝñáóåò. Ãéáôß Üñáãå;
Ãéá íá ãßíù áêüìá ðéï óáöÞò:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510076
The real reason to get excited about a PS4 is what Sony as a company does with the OS and system libraries as a platform, and what this enables 1st party studios to do, when they make PS4-only games. If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this won't happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API....
¶ñá åßíáé ëßãï Üêõñï íá óõãêñßíåéò îåñÜ flops, ÷ùñßò íá õðïëïãßæåéò ôï overhead åíüò high-level API. Ðáé÷íßäéá üðùò ôï Uncharted äåí äïõëåýïõí ìå OpenGL (PSGL óôï PS3), ðñïãñáììáôßæïõí êáôåõèåßáí óå åðßðåäï assembly (low-level êþäéêáò Þ áëëéþò «êáôåõèåßáí óôï ìÝôáëëï»). Äåí ðáñåìâÜëëåôáé GPU driver, ãéáôß ï developer ïõóéáóôéêÜ ðñÝðåé íá ãñÜøåé Ýíáí GPU driver from scratch.
Óôá PC äåí ìðïñåßò íá ôï êÜíåéò áõôü, åêôüò êé áí îçëþóåéò ôá Windows êáé öôéÜîåéò äéêü óïõ custom OS.
Áõôü ðïõ åßðå ï michael92 ãéá ôá volumetric textures åßíáé ðïëý óùóôü. Êáé äåí åßíáé ôï ìüíï ðïõ èá ÷ñåéáóôåß ðïëý ìíÞìç... åßíáé êáé ôá high-res textures, åßíáé êáé ïé ðéï ìåãÜëïé êüóìïé (óôá open world games), åßíáé êáé ôï antialiasing êáé ðïëëÜ Üëëá ðñÜãìáôá.
¼óïí áöïñÜ ôï «åîùôéêü» hardware: ðñïóùðéêÜ äåí Ý÷ù ôÝôïéï öåôß÷, üðùò äåí Ý÷ù êáé öåôß÷ ìå ôïõò åîùôéêïýò êéíçôÞñåò (âë. wankel). Ãéá êÜðïéïí ëüãï áõôÝò ïé ôå÷íïëïãßåò äåí Ýãéíáí mainstream. ÐñïóùðéêÜ åßìáé õðÝñ ôùí ïéêïíïìéþí êëßìáêáò, ïé ïðïßåò ìðïñïýí íá åðéôåõ÷èïýí ìüíï ìå mainstream hardware. Äåí åßíáé ôõ÷áßï ôï üôé üëïé Ý÷ïõí ðÜåé óå x86 (ìÝ÷ñé êáé ç Apple ðñéí áñêåôÜ ÷ñüíéá). Åêôüò áõôïý, óå åóùôåñéêü åðßðåäï êáé ïé x86 CPUs êáé ïé AMD GPUs Ý÷ïõí áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞ RISC.
Ðåñß Nintendo êáé APU/SoC: ôï Wii U Ý÷åé Ýíáí 3-core ï ïðïßïò åëÜ÷éóôá Ý÷åé áëëÜîåé áðü åðï÷Þ GameCube (áõôü åßíáé ôï ôßìçìá ôïõ backwards compatibility). Èá ìðïñïýóå êáé ç Sony íá âÜëåé êÜðïéïí åíéó÷õìÝíï Cell 2 (ð.÷. 4 PPUs + 32 SPUs) , áëëÜ ìåôÜ èá ðáñáðïíéüóïõí üôé Ý÷åé áêüìá ëéãüôåñá flops áðü ôá PCs, ôá ïðïßá ðÜëé èá Þôáí äýóêïëï íá ôá åêìåôáëëåõôïýí. ¼ôáí ëïéðüí Ý÷åéò Ýíá äåäïìÝíï die budget (ôåôñáãùíéêÜ ÷éëéïóôÜ ðõñéôßïõ), åßíáé óïöü íá ôá åêìåôáëëåõôåßò ìå ôïí êáëýôåñï äõíáôü ôñüðï, áêüìá êé áí ÷ñåéáóôåß íá èõóéÜóåéò ôï BC.
Åðßóçò, îå÷íÜò üôé óôá ðåñéóóüôåñá PC ðáñåìâÜëëåôáé ôï PCI Express áíÜìåóá óå CPU & GPU. Ôá ðåñéóóüôåñá PC åßíáé óôçí Ýêäïóç 2.0. Ôï ðéèáíüôåñï åßíáé ôï PS4 íá Ý÷åé êÜðïéïí custom äßáõëï Þ óôçí ÷åéñüôåñç PCI Express 3.0/4.0.
Åðßóçò, óôï PS4 èá åßíáé óôï ßäéï die êáé CPU êáé GPU. Óôï Wii U õðÜñ÷ïõí 3 îå÷ùñéóôÜ dies. ¼óï ðéï êïíôÜ åßíáé, ôüóï ðåñéóóüôåñï ìåéþíåôáé ôï latency. Ç äå GPU ôïõ Wii U åßíáé 3 ãåíéÝò ðßóù (Radeon 4xxx - R700) áðü ôçí GPU ôïõ PS4 (Radeon 7xxx - R1000). Ãéá íá ôï ðù êáé óå ïñïëïãßá Windows, ôï Wii U åßíáé óôï DirectX 10 êáé ôï PS4 óôï DirectX 11.
¼óïí áöïñÜ ôïí GPGPU ðñïãñáììáôéóìü, ôÝôïéïò êþäéêáò äåí èá ìðïñåß íá ìåôáöåñèåß áõôïýóéïò áðü ôá PS4/XBOX720 óôï Wii U. Ãéáôß ç GPU ôùí ðñþôùí åßíáé áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞò GCN, åíþ ôï äåýôåñï Ý÷åé áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞ VLIW. ×þñéá üôé ôá PC/PS4/XBOX720 èá ìðïñïýí íá ìïéñÜæïíôáé optimized x86 êþäéêá, åíþ ôï Wii U èá ðáßæåé áêüìá óå ðåðáëáéþìåíç PowerPC. Äåí íïìßæù üôé ÷ñåéÜæåôáé íá åîçãÞóù ôé áíôßêôõðï èá Ý÷åé áõôü óôá multiplatform... Þäç ïé 3rd-parties ôï åãêáôáëåßðïõí.
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Áí èåùñåßò ôï ðáñáêÜôù Üñèñï ãñáììÝíï áðü «ãíþóôç» ôçò ôå÷íïëïãßáò, ôüôå ôá ó÷üëéá ðåñéôôåýïõí:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc...-winner-right/
Memory – 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP – $53 / £56
Given that the next Xbox will supposedly launch at 8GB, it only seems right that Sony also sticks in a full 8GB of GDDR 5 RAM. Impressive, but it seems like massive overkill to me, so I¢ll recommend 8GB of DDR3 RAM.
ÌåôÜöñáóç: üóá äåí öôÜíåé ç áëåðïý, ôá êÜíåé êñåìáóôÜñéá (aka åðåéäÞ äåí ìðïñþ íá âÜëù 8GB GDDR5, ôá âáöôßæù overkill êáé ôïõ êïôóÜñù 8GB DDR3 ôïõ êéëïý). Ìåñéêïß äåí ìðïñïýí íá êáôáëÜâïõí ðüóï æùôéêÞò óçìáóßáò åßíáé ôï memory bandwidth...
ÊáíÝíáò éäéþôçò óôïí êüóìï äåí ìðïñåß ÷ôßóåé áíÜëïãï óýóôçìá (áêüìá êé áí Ýâñéóêå ôá ßäéá áêñéâþò parts) ìå ðáñüìïéï êüóôïò, ãéáôß ðïëý áðëÜ ìéá åôáéñßá üðùò ç Sony ìðïñåß íá åêìåôáëëåõôåß ïéêïíïìßåò êëßìáêáò êáé ôéìÝò ÷ïíäñéêÞò ìå óçìáíôéêÞ Ýêðôùóç, ìéáò êáé óå âÜèïò 5åôßáò èá ðáñáããåßëåé ðïëëÜ åêáôïììýñéá êïììÜôéá.
¸ôóé åíäåéêôéêÜ, äåò ðüóï êÜíåé ç Radeon 7970M óôï åìðüñéï (ìå ìüëéò 2GB GDDR5):
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40
Last edited by psx3; 26-02-2013 at 18:59.
Ìá o georgios Þèåëå die 500mm^2 óôï Wii U, äå èõìÜóáé; Ðïõ ôï Ýëåãå ç wikipedia;
erotisi. pio research stixise pio poli? ps3 i ps4? pos sigrinotan i cpu tu ps3 me ta tote pc ke pos tu ps4 me ta tora? to an kanan tsigunies se vga ke ram sto ps3 ine alo thema
oso auksanun oi poroi mionete to low level programming. exis kamia egiri pigi gia to pia games graftikan se assembly sto ps3? vazo ke stixima oti sto ps4 den tha ne kanena. den simferi exo grapsi assembly ke exo di apo proto xeri oti den simferi
epidi varieme na psaxno. oi proxires times tu wikipedia lene (elpizo na ta da metefera sosta)
nvidia 660 1.8Tflops 230dolaria (edo ine ke to ps4)
nvidia 660ti 2.5Tflops 300dolaria
iparxun ke 3Tflops kartes(ke parapano) vevea edo ke ena xrono
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
siberasma:
ta epixirimata su den enisxionte me tus xaraktirismus. tha se pareksigisi o kosmos ke tha nomizi oti den exis kati xrisimo na pis gia auto ksepeutis se auti ti methodo...
Last edited by georgios; 26-02-2013 at 22:26.
"EVERY GAME IS BETTER THAN NO GAME"
from the book "Alien Interview", the words of the alien captured in area 51
Ìðá, åãþ åóÝíá âëÝðù íá ðáñåîçãåß ï êüóìïò...
Ãéá äåýôåñç öïñÜ áãíïåßò áõôÜ ðïõ Ýãñáøá ðåñß DirectX overhead. Ôõ÷áßï;
Ôá ðåñéóóüôåñá PS3 exclusives (êáé ìåñéêÜ multiplatform) åßíáé ãñáììÝíá óå assembly. Óôï PS4 èá óõíå÷éóôåß áõôÞ ç ðáñÜäïóç (ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí áðü åôáéñßåò üðùò ç Naughty Dog), áëëÜ äåí áðïêëåßåôáé íá äïýìå ðåñéóóüôåñá multiplatform íá åêìåôáëëåýïíôáé hand-optimized x86 assembly, ëüãù ðïëõåôïýò åìðåéñßáò áëëÜ êáé ãéáôß áõôüò ï êþäéêáò èá ìðïñåß íá ìåôáöåñèåß ìå åëÜ÷éóôåò ôñïðïðïéÞóåéò êáé óôá PC/XBOX720. Ãéá ëüãïõò åõêïëßáò ðÜíôùò èá óõíå÷ßóåé íá õðÜñ÷åé êáé ôï OpenGL. Ìå ëßãá ëüãéá ôï PS4 êÜíåé accomodate ôïõò ðÜíôåò, áëëéþò äåí èá Þôáí åíèïõóéáóìÝíïé ôüóïé developers.
Ìçí âÜæåéò óôïß÷çìá, ãéáôß èá ôï ÷Üóåéò ìüëéò áíáêïéíùèåß ôï Uncharted 4.Ìçí êñßíåéò áðü ôéò äéêÝò óïõ ðñïãñáììáôéóôéêÝò «éêáíüôçôåò». Äåí åßóáé ßóá êáé üìïéá ìå ôïõò ðñïãñáììáôéóôáñÜäåò ôçò ICE Team. Åóý ãñÜøå êáé óå Java/C# Üìá èåò ðåñéóóüôåñç åõêïëßá... õðÜñ÷åé ëüãïò ðïõ äåí ãñÜöïíôáé ôá console games óå ôÝôïéåò ãëþóóåò.
Ðåñß research, îå÷íÜò óêïðßìùò ðüóá äéò $ Ý÷åé ñßîåé ç AMD ãéá R&D óôéò CPUs/GPUs ôçò. ØÜîå íá äåéò ôé åßíáé ôï HSA...
Áðü ôçí óôéãìÞ ðïõ ïé ÉÜðùíåò Ýìåéíáí ðßóù óôçí åîÝëéîç ôïõ hardware óå ó÷Ýóç ìå ôïõò ÁìåñéêÜíïõò, äåí êáôáëáâáßíù ãéá ðïéüí ëüãï èá ðñÝðåé íá îáíáåöåýñåé ôïí ôñï÷ü ç Sony. Ãéá íá ðáéíåýåóáé åóý êáé 2-3 íïìáôáßïé áêüìá üôé Ý÷åéò «åîùôéêü» hardware óðßôé óïõ; Åäþ ìÝ÷ñé êáé ç SEGA ôï ãýñéóå óå PC CPUs/GPUs óôá arcade ôçò (íáé, âãÜæåé áêüìá ôÝôïéá).
Ï Cell Þôáí ðïëý êáëüò ãéá ôçí åðï÷Þ ôïõ (ðïëý êáëýôåñïò áðü ôïõò åíåñãïâüñïõò êáé inefficient Pentium 4 ðïõ âáóßëåõáí ôï 2005-2006), áëëÜ áðÝôõ÷å íá êõñéåýóåé ôçí áãïñÜ üðùò ó÷åäßáæáí. Ç Toshiba åß÷å îåêéíÞóåé íá ôïí åíóùìáôþíåé óå ôçëåïñÜóåéò êáé laptops, áëëÜ ôïí ðáñÜôçóå ðïëý ãñÞãïñá. Ôïí Ýöáãáí ïé åîåëßîåéò óôéò GPUs (áðëÜ äåò ðüóá supercomputers ðáßæïõí ìå Cell êáé ðüóá ìå Tesla)... ïýôå óå smartphones åíóùìáôþèçêå ðïôÝ üðùò Þëðéæáí, ìéáò êáé åêåß êõñéáñ÷åß ïëïêëçñùôéêÜ ç ARM.
ÕÃ1: ÊÜôù áðü 500 äïëÜñéá äåí âñßóêåéò ôçí Radeon 7970M ìå ôï 1/4 ôçò RAM ôïõ PS4. Ôß óïõ ëÝåé áõôü;
ÕÃ2: Ôá 6 SPUs ôïõ Cell ðïõ åßíáé äéáèÝóéìá ãéá ôï GameOS äßíïõí ðåñßðïõ 150 Gigaflops. Óýãêñéíå ôï áõôü ìå ôéò GPUs ðïõ ðáñÝèåóåò...
Last edited by psx3; 26-02-2013 at 21:44.
ñå ðáéäéá êáé ï ëåõôåñçò ôï åéðå,èá çèåëå íá åé÷áí åðåíäõóåé óå êáôé åîùôéêï,åãù ôá èåëù óôçí ðñáîç ïìùò åöïóïí ç ðñáîç ìå êáëõøåé ïëá ïê ôùñá áí öïñáåé mistubishi,toyota Þ subaru êéíçôçñá ôï ps4 äåí ìå åíäéáöåñåé êáèïëïõ
apo oti vlepo den exis ute ena stixio na stiriksi auta pu les. ine gnosto oti to 99% ton games grafonte se c. ala pistevo oti o vladimiros pu ine sto xoro ke exi perasi ke apo eteries pu ftiaxnun games tha mas diafotisi kaliteraÔá ðåñéóóüôåñá PS3 exclusives (êáé ìåñéêÜ multiplatform) åßíáé ãñáììÝíá óå assembly. Óôï PS4 èá óõíå÷éóôåß áõôÞ ç ðáñÜäïóç (ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí áðü åôáéñßåò üðùò ç Naughty Dog), áëëÜ äåí áðïêëåßåôáé íá äïýìå ðåñéóóüôåñá multiplatform íá åêìåôáëëåýïíôáé hand-optimized x86 assembly, ëüãù ðïëõåôïýò åìðåéñßáò áëëÜ êáé ãéáôß áõôüò ï êþäéêáò èá ìðïñåß íá ìåôáöåñèåß ìå åëÜ÷éóôåò ôñïðïðïéÞóåéò êáé óôá PC/XBOX720. Ãéá ëüãïõò åõêïëßáò ðÜíôùò èá óõíå÷ßóåé íá õðÜñ÷åé êáé ôï OpenGL. Ìå ëßãá ëüãéá ôï PS4 êÜíåé accomodate ôïõò ðÜíôåò, áëëéþò äåí èá Þôáí åíèïõóéáóìÝíïé ôüóïé developers.
Ìçí âÜæåéò óôïß÷çìá, ãéáôß èá ôï ÷Üóåéò ìüëéò áíáêïéíùèåß ôï Uncharted 4.
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opos ida ke esi prosperases kati. me 300 dolaria sto pc exume vga 2.5Tflops... ena xrono prin...
"EVERY GAME IS BETTER THAN NO GAME"
from the book "Alien Interview", the words of the alien captured in area 51
Áãíüçóåò ôï 90% ôïõ post ìïõ... äåí èá áó÷ïëçèþ Üëëï ìáæß óïõ. Ôá rep, áëëÜ êáé ôá PM ðïõ ëáìâÜíù ãéá ðÜñôç óïõ ôá ëÝíå üëá (äåí ìðïñþ íá ôá äçìïóéåýóù äõóôõ÷þò).
ÔóÜìðá êüðïò èá åßíáé íá óõíå÷ßóù ôçí óõæÞôçóç ìáæß óïõ. Áò óå êñßíïõí ïé õðüëïéðïé...
^^Áõôï áêñéâùò...
Õðáñ÷åé éêáíïðïéçóç, åíèïõóéáóìïò áðï ôïõò developers ãéá áõôï ðïõ ðáñïõóéáóå ç sony êáé ïé ðñùôåò åíäåéîåéò( ð÷ killzone) åéíáé áêñùò åíèáññõíôéêåò. Êáôé îåñïõí áõôïé êáé åãêùìéáæïõí ôï ps4, äå íïìéæù ïôé ôï êáíïõí ãéá íá ãëõøïõí ôç sony...
Áõôï áñêåé ãéá ôçí ùñá, ôá õðïëïéðá èá ôá äïõìå óôçí ðïñåéá êáé êáôé ìïõ ëååé ïôé èá äïõìå ðïëõ ïìïñöá ðñáãìáôá....ïôáí å÷ïõìå äåé áõôá ôá áðïôåëåóìáôá ìå ôï "ôáðåéíï" ps3, êáôáëáâáéíåé êáíåéò ôé å÷ïõìå íá äïõìå ìå ôï ps4
Måôáöåñèçêå åäù ç óõæçôçóç.
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äåí îÝñù ãéáôß, áëëÜ ôï HSA (áí êáé äåí Ý÷åé êáìßá ó÷Ýóç), ìïõ èõìßæåé êáôÜ êÜðïéï ôñüðï ôá Transputers (ôçò IBM áí èõìÜìáé êáëÜ).
Anyway, áõôü ðïõ Ýëåãá ðÜíôá, áðü ôçí åðï÷Þ ôïõ C64, Þôáí Ýíá ìåãÜëï "ðáñÜðïíï": ç óõíïëéêÞ RAM óôá fixed specs ìç÷áíÞìáôá. ÐÜíôá Þôáí ëéãüôåñç áðü áõôÞ ðïõ ðñáãìáôéêÜ èá áðïãåßùíå ôï êÜèå óýóôçìá. Ãéáôß; Ëüãù êüóôïõò, êáèþò ç "ãñÞãïñåò" RAM ôçò åêÜóôïôå ôå÷íïëïãéêÞò åðï÷Þò, åßíáé áðü ôá áêñéâüôåñá ìÝñç åíüò fixed óõóôÞìáôïò. Å, ôþñá ç Sony îåêùëþèçêå ìå ôçí êáëÞ Ýííïéá. ¸âáëå ôïí ðÜôï ôçò RAM êáé ìÜëéóôá ðáíÜêñéâçò. Áõôü êáé ìüíï áîßæåé óõã÷áñçôÞñéá, êáèþò ÔÙÑÁ ìüíï èá äïýìå ôéò äõíáôüôçôåò êþäéêá ìå @@. ÌÝ÷ñé óÞìåñá, üôáí ëÝãáìå "êþäéêáò ìå @@" åííïïýóáìå: "ôï ðáëåôéü ðïõ ñß÷íåé ï ðñïãñáììáôéóôÞò, êáôáöåýãïíôáò óå ðáëïýêé-assembly, ãéá ôçí åýñåóç resources / ðþñùí"....ôüóï óå åðßðåäï ðþñùí ìíÞìçò, üóï êáé äéáèÝóéìçò "äýíáìçò".
ÐëÝïí üìùò, ìå ôçí áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞ ðïõ áêïëïýèçóå ç Óüíõ, ïé ðñïãñáììáôéóôÝò äåí ÷ñåéÜæåôáé íá ðáëåýïõí. Ôï "ðáëåôéü" èá ðÝóåé óå ðïëý õøçëÜ (äçëáäÞ low level) åðßðåäá ðñïãñáììáôéóìïý, þóôå íá áðïäïèïýí åîùðñáãìáôéêÜ ãñáöéêÜ. Ôï "åîùðñáãìáôéêÜ ãñáöéêÜ", ðëÝïí èá óçìáßíåé, üôé "íá ôá ãñáöéêÜ, ðïõ ðñïãñáììáôßæïíôáé ó÷åôéêÜ åýêïëá êáé åßíáé ðáíÝìïñöá" êáé "íá ôá ãñáöéêÜ, ìå êþäéêá ðïõ öôýóáìå áßìá, áëëÜ ôï áðïôÝëåóìá åßíáé áðü Üëëï êüóìï".
Íá óçìåéþóù, üôé ôï overhead ðïõ áíáöÝñåé ï psx3, áíÝêáèåí Þôáí Ýíá ÔÅÑÁÓÔÉÏ ðñüâëçìá óôá Windows (êáé ìüíï óå áõôÜ, óå Üëëá OS, üðùò Amiga OS, ôï overhead Þôáí ðïëý ìéêñü).
Óõíåðþò, áðáãïñåýåôáé áðü ïðïéïíäÞðïôå ãíùñßæåé 2-3 ðñáìáôÜêéá, íá ôï ðñïóðåñíÜ Ýôóé ãéá ðëÜêá.
Åðßóçò, áðü ôçí åðï÷Þ ôïõ ðñþôïõ (êáé Üèëéïõ) RISC ôçò Intel, ãýñù óôï 1988 ìå ôçí ïíïìáóßá i88000 (Þ êÜðùò Ýôóé, Ýëåïò ðïõ íá èõìÜìáé), Ýëåãá óå ößëïõò êáé ãíùóôïýò: áí êáé äåí åßíáé ðïëý "Ýîõðíá" ôá x86 ôóéð, áí êáôÜöåñíå êÜðïéïò ìÝóù assembly, íá ôá îåæïõìßóåé èá âëÝðáìå ðñÜìáôá êáé èÜìáôá. ÁëëÜ ðïéïò êÜèåôáé íá áó÷ïëçèåß, üôáí ç MS ôá öéìþíåé ìå ôï DOS (êáé áñãüôåñá ìå ôá Windows);;;;
ÔÝëïò, ç SEGA åäþ êáé ìéá äåêáåôßá ðåñßðïõ, ÷ñçóéìïðïéåß x86 ôå÷íïëïãßá êáé gpu-PC (åííïþ áðü ôçí áãïñÜ ôïõ PC). Ðáñáäåßãìáôá ðïëëÜ: Ýíá ôñáíôá÷ôü åßíáé ôï Virtua Fighter 5, ðïõ üôáí åìöáíßóôçêå óôá coin-op, ïé PC ïýôå ðïõ ïíåéñåýïíôáí ôÝôïéá ãñáöéêÜ (êáé 60 fp/s). Êé üìùò, ôï VF5 "öüñáãå" PC áãïñáóìÝíç ôå÷íïëïãßá. Ôá óõìðåñÜóìáôá äéêÜ óáò.
Êáé ìéá õðïóçìåßùóç: ðëÝïí åêåß ðïõ Ý÷åé öôÜóåé ç ðïëõðëïêüôçôá (2.5D stacking êáé ïóïíïýðù 3D) óôçí áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞ ôùí APUs, ìðïñþ íá éó÷õñéóôþ üôé áñ÷ßæïõí êáé áêïõìðÜíå ôïí ïñéóìü ôïõ "åîùôéêïý" ôóéð. ÅíôÜîåé, ü÷é åíôåëþò "ãåéÜ óáò äéáöïñåôéêÞ ôå÷íïëïãßá", áëëÜ óßãïõñá ôï ôóéð áäéêåßôáé. Êáé ãéáôß áäéêåßôáé; Ãéáôß åìðåñéÝ÷åé ôçí ëÝîç "x86". Ç ïðïßá äõóôõ÷þò, ìå ôïí Üèëéï ôñüðï ðïõ ç MS Ý÷åé áíôéìåôùðßóåé ôçí x86 ôå÷íïëïãßá, Ý÷åé áðïôõðùèåß óôá ìõáëÜ ôùí êáôáíáëùôþí, ìéá ðáñù÷çìÝíç íïïôñïðßá (åßíáé óå êÜðïéá óôïé÷åßá, áëëÜ ðïëý ëßãá ðéá). Ìüíï ðïõ õðÜñ÷åé ìéá ôåñÜóôéá äéáöïñÜ: Üëëï ôá x86 ôóéð êáé üðùò ðñïãñáììáôßæïíôáé ìÝóù ôùí êùëï-Windows êáé Üëëï ôé ìðïñåß íá äþóåé ìéá APU-x86, üôáí ðñïóðåëáóôåß êáé åêìåôáëëåõèåß åðáñêþò áðü ôçí ðñïãñáììáôéóôéêÞ ïìÜäá. Ðüóï ìÜëëïí, üôáí ìðïñåßò íá "÷ôõðÞóåéò" ìÝôáëëï óå Ýíá ôóéð, ðïõ åíóùìáôþíåé Ýíáí ìéíé-mainframe óôï åóùôåñéêü ôïõ, ìå ïëïêëçñùìÝíï ãñáöéêþí, åëåãêôÝò, "ôñï÷ïíüìïõò" óôá data, cache õðåñåðáñêÞò, Ýëëåéøç áñãþí äéáýëùí êëðêëð (üëá áõôÜ ôá åðéìÝñïõò óôïé÷åßá, ðïõ ìÝ÷ñé êáé óÞìåñá óôïõò PC, âñßóêïíôáé óå ðïëëÜ êáé äéáöïñåôéêÜ ôóéð = áíÜãêç äéáýëùí = åìöÜíéóç bottlenecks).
Ôï ëïéðüí: ìéá ÷áñÜ ìç÷áíÜêé åßíáé ôï PS4, óôï óýíïëü ôïõ. Ôï íá ðáßñíïõìå îåñÜ êáé ìðáêáëßóôéêá, Ýíá ìÝñïò ôïõ ôóéð (ðñïóÝîôå ôé ëÝù: ü÷é Ýíá ôóéð îå÷ùñßæïõìå, áëëÜ îåêïêáëßæïõìå Ýíá ôóéð êáé åðéëÝãïõìå Ýíá ìÝñïò ôïõ êõêëþìáôïò!!!!!) êáé íá ôï óõãêñßíïõìå ìå êÜñôåò ãñáöéêþí ôïõ PC, å, åßíáé õëéêÜ ãéá öáóïëÜäá. ¼÷é ôå÷íïëïãéêÞ åêôßìçóç. Áí èÝëïõìå íá áíïßîïõìå ìðáêÜëéêï, åßìáóôå óå êáëü äñüìï...
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psx3 + lefteris ÷ñùóôáù ñåð ãéá ìéá áêïìç öïñá.
Ðïëõ ïìïñöá ôá ôå÷íéêá ðïóô ðïõ ãñáöôçêáí óôéò ôåëåõôáéåò óåëéäåò. Ðñáãìáôéêá ïé developers Méëáíå ìå ôá êáëõôåñá ëïãéá êáé áõôï áêñéâùò åéíáé ðïõ ìåôñáåé.
ÐñáãìáôéêÜ êáé ï psx3 êáé ï ËåõôÝñçò åßíáé ÷ñÞóôåò êüóìçìá ãéá ôï öüñïõì.
ÅéäéêÜ ï ËåõôÝñçò åíþ ãñÜöåé ìå ôå÷íïëïãéêïýò üñïõò ôáõôü÷ñïíá åðåîçãåß ôï êÜèå ôé þóôå íá êáôáëáâáßíåé êé ï êÜèå áäáÞò (üðùò åãþ).
×ñùóôÜù reputation ãéáôß äßíù óõíÝ÷åéá åéäéêÜ ó'áõôïýò ôïõò äýï êáé äåí ì'áöÞíåé ìå ôßðïôá ðëÝïí.
¼ôáí ðáßñíåéò ôå÷íïëïãßá áðï PC êáé ôçí ðñïóáñìüæåéò óôï óêåðôéêü êïíóüëáò ìüíï WIN ìðïñåß íá åßíáé ç óõíôáãÞ.
Äåßôå ôé Ýêáíå ôï Dreamcast ìå ìéá ôáðåéíÞ Power VR ôï 1998. Êáé üðùò å÷åé Þäç áíáöåñèåß óôï thread, ðÜñå ôï hardware ôïõ 360 êáé âÜëôï óå Ýíá PC íá äïýìå ðùò èá ôñÝîåé (åÜí ôï ôñÝîåé) ôï Crysis ôï 3.
Ôï ìüíï ßäéï ðïõ èá Ý÷åé ôï PS4 ìå ôá PC åßíáé ç áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞ. Ç õëïðïßçóç èá Ý÷åé ôåëåßùò äéáöïñåôéêÞ ðñïóåããéóç. Áõôü åßíáé ðïõ äåí ìðïñïýí íá êáôáëÜâïõí ïé PC users.
Edit: "ÆùãñÜöéóå" ï ËåõôÝñçò ...
Last edited by Daytime Dreamer; 27-02-2013 at 14:05.
oi developers pedia thelun tin eukoli lisi oxi to pio dinato mixanima
otan vgike to ps3 oi devs to krazan ala evgale ta kalitera grafika. emis krazame tus developers gia tin adiaforia tus
tora vgeni to ps4(i PC4 opos to leo) ke oi developers ine to evagelio
ena tixeo meros tu kiklomatos ine i dinami tu pirina tis gpu?! ta 1.8Tflops (an to numero ine sosto) ine to orio tu ps4. oti mnimes epikinonies ke buses na xis, mexri eki tha ftasi
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"EVERY GAME IS BETTER THAN NO GAME"
from the book "Alien Interview", the words of the alien captured in area 51
Êáé öõóéêÜ ðáñáâëÝðïõìå ôá 102.4 Gigaflops ôçò octacore CPU, ôïí dedicated audio processor, zlib decompressor, video encoding/decoding engine, ARM processor... üëá áõôÜ åííïåßôáé üôé äåí îáëáöñþíïõí ôçí CPU, ìéáò êáé Ý÷ïõí êáèáñÜ äéáêïóìçôéêü ñüëï.
ÁíáñùôéÝìáé ðüóïõò dedicated processors åß÷å ôï PS3... ÷ììììì
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