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    Óçìåñá ìïëéò áíïéîá ôï ëáðôïð ìïõ ç ïèïíç åíáñîçò çôáí åôóé : êáé ìåôá ìïõ åâãáëå áõôç ôçí åéêïíá ðïõ ôï óöáëìá ëåãåôå tdr video failure êáé áöïõ åêáíå åðáíåêêéíçóç ìïõ âãáæåé áõôç êáé äåí ìïõ öïñôùíåé ôá windows! Ôï åøáîá óôï éíôåñíåô êáé âñçêá ïôé å÷åé íá êáíåé ìå ôïõò drivers ôçò êáñôáò ãñáöéêùí êáé âñçêá êáé êáðïéåò ëõóåéò ðïõ ðñïôåéíïõí áëëá áðïâôçí óôéãìç ðïõ äåí ìå áöçíåé íá ìðù óôá windows äåí ìðïñù íá êáíù ôéðïôá! Å÷åé êáðïéïò êáìéá ëõóç ôé íá êáíù;




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    Áí åðéëåîåéò åìöáíéóç åðéëïãùí áðïêáôáóôáóçò äåí å÷åé åðéëïãç íá ìðåéò óå safe mode? Aí ï÷é êáíå ôçí åðáíåêêéíçóç 3 öïñåò êáé ëïãéêá èá ìðïõí ôá windows ìïíá ôïõò óå repair screen áðü üðïõ èá ìðïñåßò íá ìðåéò óå safe mode. Aí êáé áõôï äåí äïõëåøåé äïêéìáóå ïôáí îåêéíáåé ôï pc íá ðáôáò óõíå÷ïìåíá F8 ìå÷ñé íá äåéò ôá repair options ôùí Windows êáé íá ìðåéò óå safe mode. Ïôáí ìðåéò óå safe mode ëïãéêá èá ìðïñåéò íá ðåñáóåéò ôïõò drivers îáíá. Áëëá ìïõ öáéíåôáé ó÷åäïí áäõíáôï íá öôáéíå ïé drivers ãéá áõôï. Ðéï ðéèáíï íá å÷åé ãéíåé corrupted ôï MBR êáé íá èåëåé repair áðï ôï ìåíïõ ôùí Windows.

    Aëëç ìéá ëõóç åéíáé áí å÷åéò áëëï pc, íá êáôåâáóåéò óå åíá öëáóáêé ôá Windows 10 ìå ôï windows media creation tool https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10
    Èá âáëåéò ôï laptop íá ìðïõôáñåé áðï ôï öëáóáêé êáé èá å÷åéò åðéëïãåò ãéá repair áí äåí äïõëåøåé ôéðïôá áðï ôá ðáñáðáíù.

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    Ôá å÷ù êáíåé ïëá áõôá! Óôï safe mode ìïõ âãáæåé ëáèïò password êáé äåí ìå áöçíåé íá ìðù êáí ïóï ãéá ôï öëáóáêé ôï åêáíá áðï ôï desktop ôïõ óðéôéïõ ìïõ êáé ìïõ âãáæåé åíá ìõíçìá ïôé äåí ìå áöçíåé íá êáíù äéïñèùóç ôùí windows ïõôå åðáíåãêáôáóôáóç
    Åðéóçò ÷ôåò åöôéáîå ìïíï ôïõ äïõëåøå êáðïéåò ùñåò óçìåñá êáé ôï ìåóçìåñé ìïõ ôï îáíáåêáíå

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    Ôï ïôé äïõëåøå êáé ôï îáíáåêáíå ÷ùñßò íá ôï êÜíåéò repair èá åëåãá åéíáé êáðùò áíçóõ÷çôéêï. ÄçëáäÞ ßóùò íá åéíáé êáé hardware ðñïâëçìá. ÅããõÞóç Ý÷åéò? ¼ôáí Ýöôéáîå ìüíï ôïõ ðñüëáâåò íá ðåñÜóåéò ôïõò drivers îáíÜ?

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    Ôï ïôé äïõëåøå êáé ôï îáíáåêáíå ÷ùñßò íá ôï êÜíåéò repair èá åëåãá åéíáé êáðùò áíçóõ÷çôéêï. ÄçëáäÞ ßóùò íá åéíáé êáé hardware ðñïâëçìá. ÅããõÞóç Ý÷åéò? ¼ôáí Ýöôéáîå ìüíï ôïõ ðñüëáâåò íá ðåñÜóåéò ôïõò drivers îáíÜ?
    Åããõçóç ï÷é ôï å÷ù 4 ÷ñïíéá ìå áäéáêïðç ÷ñçóç!! Êáé åãù ôï éäéï óêåöôçêá ðáíôùò!! Ï÷é äåí ðñïëáâá ãéáôé åé÷á äïõëåéá êáé ôï åêëåéóá ãéá êáëõôåñá áëëá ïôáí ôï áíïéîá ãéá åêáíå ôá éäéá!


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    Åããõçóç ï÷é ôï å÷ù 4 ÷ñïíéá ìå áäéáêïðç ÷ñçóç!! Êáé åãù ôï éäéï óêåöôçêá ðáíôùò!! Ï÷é äåí ðñïëáâá ãéáôé åé÷á äïõëåéá êáé ôï åêëåéóá ãéá êáëõôåñá áëëá ïôáí ôï áíïéîá ãéá åêáíå ôá éäéá!


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    Ôïõ å÷åéò áëëáîåé ðïôå ðáóôá óå gpu/cpu óôá 4 ÷ñïíéá? Ióùò áöïõ ôï óöáëìá ëååé ãéá video íá æåóôáßíåôáé ðïëý ç gpu.

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    Ôïõ å÷åéò áëëáîåé ðïôå ðáóôá óå gpu/cpu óôá 4 ÷ñïíéá? Ióùò áöïõ ôï óöáëìá ëååé ãéá video íá æåóôáßíåôáé ðïëý ç gpu.
    Ï÷é äåí ôïõ å÷ù áëëáîåé!! Áí êáé äåí ôï å÷ù îáíáêáíåé áðï ôçí óôéãìç ðïõ äåí äïõëåõåé èá åðé÷åéñçóù íá ôï áíïéîù íá ôïõ áëëáîù ðáóôá êáé åëðéæù íá öôéáîåé!
    Ðáíôùò ïôé æåóôåíåôå ðïëõ åéíáé áëçèåéá! Åéäéêá äåîéá ðïõ âãáéíåé ï æåóôïò áåñáò åêáéãå ïñéóìåíåò öïñåò


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    Áëëáîá ðáóôá äåí åé÷å ìåéíåé ôéðïôá ðáíù ìå÷ñé êáé ôï áíåìéóôçñáêé åé÷å øéëïâïõëùóåé áëëá ðáëé ôá éäéá ìïõ êáíåé! Åéíáé ðéèáíï íá ìïõ å÷åé ÷áëáåóåé ôçí gpu ç èåñìïêñáóéá;


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    Ôá artifacts äåí åßíáé êáëü óçìÜäé êáé äåí îÝñù áí óõíäÝïíôáé áðáñáßôçôá ìå ôï windows error. ¼ôáí ëåò üôé äéïñèþèçêå ìßá öïñÜ ãéá ëßãï, Ýäåé÷íå êáíïíéêÜ ôá ãñáöéêÜ; Èá ìïõ ðåéò áêüìç êáé áí ôï êÜíåé äåí ëÝåé ôßðïôá, êáèþò ç áíôßóôïé÷ç åìðåéñßá ðïõ Ý÷ù (ìå ôï Xbox 360) ìå ôá ßäéá artifacts åðß ïèüíçò, ìéá ôá Ýäåé÷íå ìéá ü÷é ìÝ÷ñé ðïõ êëÜôáñå êÜðïéá óôéãìÞ ôåëåßùò.

    Íá õðïèÝóù äïêßìáóåò üëá ôá "ãéáôñïóüöéá" ðïõ ðñïôåßíïõí ãéá ôï óõãêåêñéìÝíï error:
    1. Roll back a device driver (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ling-in-window)
    2. Update display card and chipset drivers
    3. Re-install drivers in Safe Mode
    4. Replace atikmpag.sys or atikmdag.sys file (ãéá ATI/AMD) - (nvlddmkm.sys ðéèáíüí ãéá Nvidia) äåí ìðïñþ íá äù áðü ôï screenshot ôé óïõ ãñÜöåé (ëïãéêÜ óïõ áíáöÝñåé ðïéïò driver êñåìÜåé ôï óýóôçìá óïõ)

    êÜôé stress tests ßóùò íá óå âïçèïýóáí íá êáôáëÞîåéò áí öôáßåé ç êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí:
    https://www.reviversoft.com/blog/201...?ncr=1&lang=en

    ÎÝ÷áóá íá ñùôÞóù... óïõ ôï Ýâãáëå ìåôÜ áðü êÜðïéï update driver Þ ôùí windows Þ áðü ôï ðïõèåíÜ;

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    Ôá artifacts äåí åßíáé êáëü óçìÜäé êáé äåí îÝñù áí óõíäÝïíôáé áðáñáßôçôá ìå ôï windows error. ¼ôáí ëåò üôé äéïñèþèçêå ìßá öïñÜ ãéá ëßãï, Ýäåé÷íå êáíïíéêÜ ôá ãñáöéêÜ; Èá ìïõ ðåéò áêüìç êáé áí ôï êÜíåé äåí ëÝåé ôßðïôá, êáèþò ç áíôßóôïé÷ç åìðåéñßá ðïõ Ý÷ù (ìå ôï Xbox 360) ìå ôá ßäéá artifacts åðß ïèüíçò, ìéá ôá Ýäåé÷íå ìéá ü÷é ìÝ÷ñé ðïõ êëÜôáñå êÜðïéá óôéãìÞ ôåëåßùò.

    Íá õðïèÝóù äïêßìáóåò üëá ôá "ãéáôñïóüöéá" ðïõ ðñïôåßíïõí ãéá ôï óõãêåêñéìÝíï error:
    1. Roll back a device driver (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ling-in-window)
    2. Update display card and chipset drivers
    3. Re-install drivers in Safe Mode
    4. Replace atikmpag.sys or atikmdag.sys file (ãéá ATI/AMD) - (nvlddmkm.sys ðéèáíüí ãéá Nvidia) äåí ìðïñþ íá äù áðü ôï screenshot ôé óïõ ãñÜöåé (ëïãéêÜ óïõ áíáöÝñåé ðïéïò driver êñåìÜåé ôï óýóôçìá óïõ)

    êÜôé stress tests ßóùò íá óå âïçèïýóáí íá êáôáëÞîåéò áí öôáßåé ç êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí:
    https://www.reviversoft.com/blog/201...?ncr=1&lang=en

    ÎÝ÷áóá íá ñùôÞóù... óïõ ôï Ýâãáëå ìåôÜ áðü êÜðïéï update driver Þ ôùí windows Þ áðü ôï ðïõèåíÜ;
    Ôá å÷ù êáíåé ïëá áõôá áëëá óôçí ïõóéá äåí å÷ù êáíåé ôéðïôá ãéáôé äåí ìå áöçíåé íá ìðù óôá windows ïõôå ìå safe mode! Óôï safe mode ìïõ âãáæåé ëáèïò password åíù âáæù ôï óùóôï! Ôï áëëáîá êéïëëáò ãéá íá åéíáé óéãïõñïò áëëá êáé ðáëé ëáèïò ìïõ âãáæåé!
    Íáé åöôéáîå ãéá ëéãåò ùñåò êáé åäåé÷íå êáíïíéêá áëëá äåí ðñïëáâá íá êáíù ôéðïôá ãéáôé ìå ðçñå 3 ôï îçìåñùìá êáé ôï ðñùé óôï ìáãáæé åé÷á äïõëåéá êáé äåí ðñïëáâá íá êáíù ôéðïôá åíù ôï åé÷á áíïéîåé êáé äïõëåõå êáíïíéêá êáé ôï åêëåéóá ãéá êáëõôåñá áëëá ìïëéò ôï áíïéîá åêáíå ðáëé ôá éäéá!
    Êáé ìåóù usb ðñïóðáèçóá ìå áñ÷åéï iso áëëá äåí ìïõ êáíåé repair ïõôå åðáíåãêáôáóôáóç ôùí windows!
    Ãéá êáìåíç gpu äéáâáóá óôï internet ðáíôùò
    Ôï åêëåéóá ôï âñáäõ óôï ìáãáæé êáé ôï ðñùé ðïõ áíïéîá åêáíå áõôï! Äåí îåñù áí åêáíå êáðïéï update ôï âñáäõ


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    Äïêßìáóåò íá êÜíåéò reset ôï password ôùí windows 10? ÕðÜñ÷ïõí êÜôé êïëðÜêéá ãéá íá ôï êÜíåéò áõôü ó÷åôéêÜ åýêïëá. Óïõ óôÝëíù Ýíá link ðïõ âñÞêá ðñü÷åéñá...

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    Ôá å÷ù êáíåé ïëá áõôá áëëá óôçí ïõóéá äåí å÷ù êáíåé ôéðïôá ãéáôé äåí ìå áöçíåé íá ìðù óôá windows ïõôå ìå safe mode! Óôï safe mode ìïõ âãáæåé ëáèïò password åíù âáæù ôï óùóôï! Ôï áëëáîá êéïëëáò ãéá íá åéíáé óéãïõñïò áëëá êáé ðáëé ëáèïò ìïõ âãáæåé!
    Íáé åöôéáîå ãéá ëéãåò ùñåò êáé åäåé÷íå êáíïíéêá áëëá äåí ðñïëáâá íá êáíù ôéðïôá ãéáôé ìå ðçñå 3 ôï îçìåñùìá êáé ôï ðñùé óôï ìáãáæé åé÷á äïõëåéá êáé äåí ðñïëáâá íá êáíù ôéðïôá åíù ôï åé÷á áíïéîåé êáé äïõëåõå êáíïíéêá êáé ôï åêëåéóá ãéá êáëõôåñá áëëá ìïëéò ôï áíïéîá åêáíå ðáëé ôá éäéá!
    Êáé ìåóù usb ðñïóðáèçóá ìå áñ÷åéï iso áëëá äåí ìïõ êáíåé repair ïõôå åðáíåãêáôáóôáóç ôùí windows!
    Ãéá êáìåíç gpu äéáâáóá óôï internet ðáíôùò
    Ôï åêëåéóá ôï âñáäõ óôï ìáãáæé êáé ôï ðñùé ðïõ áíïéîá åêáíå áõôï! Äåí îåñù áí åêáíå êáðïéï update ôï âñáäõ


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    Åãþ ðñïò ôá åêåß êëßíù. ¼ôé äçëáäç´ç gpu Ý÷åé ðåèÜíåé. Äåí åß÷á êáôáëÜâåé üôé áõôÜ óôéò photos åßíáé artifacts. Nüìéæá üôé áðëÜ Þôáí êáêÝò ïé öþôïò ¼ðùò åßðåò êáé ìüíïò óïõ üôáí ôï Üíïéîåò äåí åß÷å ìåßíåé ß÷íïò ðÜóôáò ïðüôå óßãïõñá äïýëåõå ðïëý êáéñü óå øçëÝò èåñìïêñáóßåò. Áí ìðïñåßò øÜî'ôï êé Üëëï ëßãï, ßóùò íá ôï ðáò óå êÜðïéï service íá óïõ êÜíïõí ìéá åêôßìçóç áí èåò íá ðÜñåéò êáé ìéá äåýôåñç ãíþìç. ÐÜíôùò ãéá íá óéãïõñåõôåßò üôé äåí åßíáé software ôï ðñüâëçìá îáíáðÝñíá ôïõ Windows íá äåéò áí èá óôñþóåé. Áí ü÷é, îÝñåéò ôé óçìáßíåé...

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    Åãþ ðñïò ôá åêåß êëßíù. ¼ôé äçëáäç´ç gpu Ý÷åé ðåèÜíåé. Äåí åß÷á êáôáëÜâåé üôé áõôÜ óôéò photos åßíáé artifacts. Nüìéæá üôé áðëÜ Þôáí êáêÝò ïé öþôïò ¼ðùò åßðåò êáé ìüíïò óïõ üôáí ôï Üíïéîåò äåí åß÷å ìåßíåé ß÷íïò ðÜóôáò ïðüôå óßãïõñá äïýëåõå ðïëý êáéñü óå øçëÝò èåñìïêñáóßåò. Áí ìðïñåßò øÜî'ôï êé Üëëï ëßãï, ßóùò íá ôï ðáò óå êÜðïéï service íá óïõ êÜíïõí ìéá åêôßìçóç áí èåò íá ðÜñåéò êáé ìéá äåýôåñç ãíþìç. ÐÜíôùò ãéá íá óéãïõñåõôåßò üôé äåí åßíáé software ôï ðñüâëçìá îáíáðÝñíá ôïõ Windows íá äåéò áí èá óôñþóåé. Áí ü÷é, îÝñåéò ôé óçìáßíåé...
    Äåí ìå áöçíåé íá ðåñáóù ôá windows ðáëé! Êáôåâáóá ôï .iso áñ÷åéï ðïõ åéðåò åêáíá boot áðï åêåé åôñåîå êáíïíéêá áëëá ïôáí ðáôáù åãêáôáóôáóç äåí ìå áöçíåé åðåéäç áí èõìáìáé êáëá ìïõ ëååé ïôé å÷ù çäç ôá windows åãêáôåóôçìåíá!
    Å÷ù êáé åíáí óêëçñï áðï ôï ps3 500gb åâáëá åêåé ôï iso áñ÷åéï åâãáëá ôïí óêëçñï ðïõ åé÷å ðáíù êáé åâáëá áõôïí áëëá êáé ðáëé äåí ìå áöçíåé íá êáíù åãêáôáóôáóç


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    Åõ÷áñéóôù êáé ôïõò 2 ðáéäéá ãéá ôçí âïçèåéá áëëá ïðùò âëåðåôå êáé åóåéò åéíáé èåìá êáñôá ãñáöéêùí!åôñåîá ôá linux áðï usb ÷ùñéò åãêáôáóôáóç ïðùò ìïõ åéðå ï íåê íá ôï áðïôåëåóìá


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    Äõóôõ÷þò áðü ðïëý íùñßò áíÝöåñá üôé ìðïñåß íá åßíáé hardware ðñüâëçìá, ôá artifacts åðß ôçò ïèüíçò ðïôÝ äåí åßíáé êáëü óçìÜäé. Áõôü ðïõ ìå ðñïâëçìáôßæåé ôþñá åßíáé üôé ôá artifacts ôçò ôåëåõôáßáò öùôïãñáößáò äéáöÝñïõí ìå áõôÜ ôùí ðñþôùí êáé áõôü ìå êÜíåé íá áíáñùôéÝìáé ìðáò êáé ëüãù ôïõ üôé ìéëÜìå ãéá öïñçôü õðïëïãéóôÞ åêôüò ôçí êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí ìÞðùò öôáßåé ç êáëùäéïôáéíßá. Åóý ðïõ áí êáôÜëáâá êáëÜ ðéÜíïõí ôá ÷Ýñéá óïõ, äåí ôï êïéôÜò îáíÜ ìÞðùò äåí Ýêáôóå êáëÜ Þ ìå ôï Üíïéîå/êëåßóå Ý÷åé ÷áëÜóåé, ëÝù ìðáò êáé ãëéôþóåéò ôá ÷åéñüôåñá.

    Ðñéí áðü áõôü âÝâáéá èá ìðïñïýóåò áðëÜ íá êïôóÜñåéò Ýíá åîùôåñéêü ìüíéôïñ óôçí üðïéá Ýîïäï äéáèÝôåé ôï öïñçôü óïõ êáé áí óõíå÷ßæåé íá äåß÷íåé êáé åêåß artifacts ôüôå ìÜëëïí åðéâåâáéþíåôáé üôé öôáßåé ç êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí (áöïý Ý÷ïõìå áðïññßøåé âëÜâç óå ïèüíç êáé êáëùäéïôáéíßá).

    Äåí êáôÜëáâá áí åßíáé êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí áõôüíïìç (ðéèáíüí íá ðÜåé ãéá áëëáãÞ áí öôáßåé) Þ åíóùìáôùìÝíç óôçí motherboard. Óôçí ôåëåõôáßá ðåñßðôùóç ðïëëÝò öïñÝò ç êÜñôá ãñáöéêþí ìïéñÜæåôáé ôçí ìíÞìç RAM ôçò ìçôñéêÞò, ïðüôå áí ìéëÜìå ãéá ðñüâëçìá ëüãù óöáëìÜôùí óôçí video RAM, ôüôå ßóùò íá äïêéìÜóåéò áöáéñþíôáò óôáäéáêÜ ìßá ìßá ôéò ìíÞìåò áí åßíáé ðïëëÝò Þ áíôéêáèéóôþíôáò ôçí áí åßíáé ìßá.

    Õ.Ã.: ÂëÝðåéò ôá artifacts óôï boot sequence Þ/êáé óôï Bios?

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    Ôá artifacts öáéíïíôå ðáíôïõ! Åðéóçò åêáíá install to linux êáíïíéêá óå åíáí óêëçñï ìéêñï ðïõ åé÷á êáé ðáëé ôï éäéï äåé÷íåé! Ç ìçôñéêç ìáæé ìå ôá äõï ôóéðáêéá åéíáé åôóéç cpu âãáéíåé ç gpu ï÷é, åðéóçò ôï óõíäåóá êáé ìå ôçí ôçëåïñáóç ìå hdmi êáé ðáëé äåé÷íåé ôéò êáèåôåò ãñáììåò!
    Edit: ôï åêáíá áõôï ìå ôéò ram 2 4áñåò å÷ù åâãáëá ìéá ìéá åíáëëáî áëëá äåí åéäá äéáöïñá êáíåé ôá éäéá!
    Åéìáé óéãïõñïò ïôé å÷åé êáåé ç êáñôá ãéáôé ç äéáöïñá óôéò èåñìïêñáóéåò åéíáé ôåñáóôéá! Ðñéí óôï ìéóáùñï åêáéãå ïëï ôï ëáðôïð äåîéá óçìåñá ðïõ ôï ðáëåøá êáíá äéùñï ìå ôá linux äåí êáôáëáâáéíåò ôéðïôá
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    OK, êñßìá áëëÜ ìåôÜ áðü üëá áõôÜ ìÜëëïí åßíáé áóöáëÝò íá ðïýìå...


    ÊÜñôá ãñáöéêþí, áéùíßá ç ìíÞìç óïõ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nek_Food View Post
    OK, êñßìá áëëÜ ìåôÜ áðü üëá áõôÜ ìÜëëïí åßíáé áóöáëÝò íá ðïýìå...


    ÊÜñôá ãñáöéêþí, áéùíßá ç ìíÞìç óïõ...
    ×á÷á÷ áõôï áêñéâùò!! Çìïõí óå óêåøç íá öôéáîù åíá ðõñãï ìå 500-600¤ ç ïðïéá óêåøç èá ãéíåé ðñáîç áöïõ ôá ôéíáîå ôá ðåôáëá!!
    Ôá ëåöôá ôïõ ôá åâãáëå êáé ìå ôï ðáñáðáíù ðáíôùò!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AriStos13 View Post
    ×á÷á÷ áõôï áêñéâùò!! Çìïõí óå óêåøç íá öôéáîù åíá ðõñãï ìå 500-600¤ ç ïðïéá óêåøç èá ãéíåé ðñáîç áöïõ ôá ôéíáîå ôá ðåôáëá!!
    Ôá ëåöôá ôïõ ôá åâãáëå êáé ìå ôï ðáñáðáíù ðáíôùò!


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    Êñßìá áëëÜ áõôü åßíáé ôï ðñüâëçìá ìå ôá laptops, åéäéêÜ ôá öèçíÜ. Ôï ðñïçãïýìåíï laptop ìïõ Þôáí Ýíá HP êáé ôï åß÷á áíïßîåé óôá 2 ÷ñüíéá ãéá áëëáãÞ ðÜóôáò ðñïëçðôéêÜ. ÌÜëëïí ôï ðñüëáâá ðñéí ãßíåé ôï êáêü. Äåí åß÷å ìåßíåé ß÷íïò ðÜóôáò êáé óå ìÝíá. Åõôõ÷þò äïõëåýåé áêüìá áðü ôï 2011 ìåôÜ ôçí áëëáãÞ! Ôï Ý÷åé ï ðáôÝñáò ìïõ ôþñá.

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