ÌéΓͺñÜ Γ*ÝÑ ΓͺÑé rumors ãéÑ ôï PS5 all-in-one Thread

[Slay]

Oðïéïò Ý÷Γ₯Γ© ôïΓ* Γ·Γ±ΓΌΓ*Γ― Γ*Γ‘ ôï Γ€Γ₯Γ© Ñò ìÑò Γ°Γ₯Γ© ΓͺÑé ôÑ ðéï óçìÑΓ*ôéΓͺÜ Γ°Γ₯ñéëçðôéΓͺÜ ãéÑôß Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé 33 Γ«Γ₯ðôÜ ÒßΓ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ―.

Γ*Γ‘ ôï Γ€Γ₯éò, ôÑ Γ«Γ₯Γ₯Γ© ΓͺÑëÑ ôï ðÑéÀé.
Γ…Γ*Γ‘ Ñðï ÑáôÑ ðïá Γ«Γ₯Γ₯Γ© ðñïò ôï Γ΄Γ₯ëïò, Γ₯Γ©Γ*Ñé ïôé Γ₯Γ©ΓͺÜæΓ₯Γ© üôé ôï nanite ÷ñçóéìïðïéΓ₯Γ© ôïáò primitive shaders ðïá Γ₯éðΓ₯ Γ― Cerny óôçΓ* ðÑñïáóéÑóç.
Åãù ðéóôΓ₯áù Γ₯ßôΓ₯ Ñáôü óôï ïðïßï Γ‘Γ*ÑâÝñΓ₯ôÑé Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ìéÑ ðÑñÑëëÑãç ôïá VRS Γ₯ßôΓ₯ ôï VRS Γ¬Γ₯ Üëëï ΓΌΓ*ïìÑ.

[Valkyre]

Ôï ÒÑóéΓͺΓ―Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ― ðïá ìðïñΓ₯Γ© Γ*Γ‘ ÑðïΓͺïììéóΓ₯Γ© ΓͺΓ‘Γ*Γ₯éò Γ’Γ«Γ₯ðïΓ*ôÑò ÑáôÑ ôÑ Γ’Γ©Γ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ― Ñðï ôïΓ* Γ₯Γ* ëïãï developer Γ₯Γ©Γ*Ñé ôï Γ₯Γ�çò:

Cerny knows his shit...

ÊÑôé ðïá âáóéΓͺΓ‘ èÑ Γ₯ðñΓ₯Γ°Γ₯ Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯Γ©Γ*Ñé ΓͺΓ―Γ©Γ*Γ§ ëïãéΓͺΓ§ Γ‘Γ* ΓͺïéôÑΓ�Γ₯éò ÑðëÑ ôï ÒéïãñÑâéΓͺΓ― ôïá, ÑëëÑ ÑñΓͺΓ₯ôïé ÒãçΓͺΓ‘Γ* ΓͺÑé Γ₯éðÑΓ* ïôé Ñáôï ôï road to PS5 Γ₯Γ©Γ*Ñé Γ£Γ₯ìÑôï ÀéΓͺÑéïëïãéΓ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé áðΓ₯ΓͺâáãΓ₯Γ²...

[vadergr]

ÈΓ₯ΓΉΓ±Γ₯ßôÑé Γ’Γ₯ÒÑéÑï ïôé èÑ ΓͺΓ΅ΓͺëïâïñÞóΓ₯Γ© Γ¬Γ₯Γ³Γ‘ óôï 2020?
Γ‹Γ₯Γ΄Γ₯ Γ*Γ‘ Γ‘Γ*ÑâΓ₯Γ±Γ―Γ΅Γ* ôéìç ΓͺÑé release date?

[Fulgore]

ÈΓ₯ΓΉΓ±Γ₯ßôÑé Γ’Γ₯ÒÑéÑï ïôé èÑ ΓͺΓ΅ΓͺëïâïñÞóΓ₯Γ© Γ¬Γ₯Γ³Γ‘ óôï 2020?

Åôóé Γ₯Γ·Γ―Γ΅Γ* Γ°Γ₯Γ© Γ―Γ© éÀéΓ₯Γ² Γ―Γ© Γ₯ôÑéñΓ₯Γ©Γ₯Γ²,Γ¬Γ₯ Γ¬Γ₯ãÑëï Γ₯ñùôçìÑôéΓͺΓ― óôçΓ* ÀéÑèΓ₯óéìïôçôÑ(ΓͺïììÑôéÑ).

[PDS]

ÅìÝΓ*Γ‘ ðÜΓ*ôùò Γ₯Γ*Γ*Γ―Γ₯ßôÑé ðùò Γ¬Γ₯ ΓͺΓ₯Γ*ôñßæΓ₯Γ© Γ§ ðñïóÝããéóç ôçò Sony ÑëëÜ ãéÑôß ìïá Ý÷Γ₯Γ© ÀçìéïáñãçèΓ₯ß Γ§ Γ₯Γ*ôýðùóç ðùò Γ§ ôÑΓͺôéΓͺÞ ôçò MS èÑ ΓͺñÑôÞóΓ₯Γ© ðßóù ôÑ 3d party games;
ÌÑΓͺÜñé Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßìÑé ëÜèïò ΓͺÑé Γ*Γ‘ ìçΓ* áðÜñ÷Γ₯Γ© ôÝôïéï èÝìÑ

Γ‡ MS ìéëÑΓ₯Γ© ãéÑ ôÑ first-party ôçò(cross gen), Γ€Γ₯Γ* ðéóôΓ₯áù ïôé ìðïñΓ₯Γ© Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ìðïÀéóΓ₯Γ© ôïáò 3rd ðÑñôá Γ*Γ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ*Γ―Γ΅Γ* ïôé Γ¨Γ₯ëïáΓ*. ÄçëÑÀç ïðùò ΓͺÑé óôçΓ* ðñïçãïáìΓ₯Γ*Γ§ Γ£Γ₯Γ*éÑ ëïãéΓͺΓ‘ èÑ áðÑñ÷ïáΓ* ΓͺÑé cross-gen ΓͺÑé next gen multiplatform games.

[Lefteris_X]

Ôï ðÑëéΓͺÜñé (o dev óôï ÒßΓ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ―) ðÜΓ*ΓΉ-ΓͺÜôù ëÝΓ₯Γ© ΓΌΓ³Γ‘ Ý÷ïáìΓ₯ Γ‘Γ*ÑëýóΓ₯Γ© Γ₯Àþ ìÝóÑ Γ₯ãþ ΓͺÑé ΓͺÜðïéÑ ÜëëÑ ðÑéÀéÜ (Γ₯Γͺôüò ΓͺÜðïéùΓ* ðïá Γ€Γ₯Γ* Γ₯ßÀÑΓ* üëï ôï ÒßΓ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ― ÑëëÜ ÑðïóðÑóìÑôéΓͺÜ).

ÓçìΓ₯éþóôΓ₯: ãýñù óôï 24:53 Γ‘Γ*ÑâÝñΓ₯Γ© ôï ÐÏÓÏ óðÑóôéΓͺΓΌ, Γ‘Γ*ôéðÑñÑãùãéΓͺΓΌ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ôï BC ΓͺÑé Γ³Γ₯ ìðëïΓͺÜñΓ₯Γ© óôçΓ* Ñðïññüâçóç ôçò Γ*ÝÑò Γ΄Γ₯Γ·Γ*ïëïãßÑò. "¼ôÑΓ* Ý÷Γ₯éò Γ*ÝÑ Γ΄Γ₯Γ·Γ*ïëïãßÑ Γ¬Γ₯ Γ₯Γ«ΓͺáóôéΓͺüôÑôÑ Γ*ÝÑ ÷ÑñÑΓͺôçñéóôéΓͺÜ-ÀáΓ*ÑôüôçôΓ₯Γ², ôüôΓ₯ ΓΉΓ² developer Γ¨Γ₯Γ² Γ*Γ‘ ΓͺÑôÑðéÑóôΓ₯ßò/Γ₯ΓͺΓ¬Γ₯ôÑëëΓ₯áôΓ₯ßò ÑáôÜ ΓΌΓ³Γ― ôï ÀáΓ*Ñôü ðéï ãñÞãïñÑ. ÁΓ* üìùò Γ¨Γ₯Γ² Γ*Γ΄Γ₯ ΓͺÑé ΓͺÑëÜ ôï ðÑé÷Γ*ßÀé Γ³Γ―Γ΅ Γ*Γ‘ ôñÝ÷Γ₯Γ© ΓͺÑé óôï ðÑëÑéüôΓ₯Γ±Γ― ìç÷ÜΓ*çìÑ, Γ₯ßóÑé Γ‘Γ*ÑãΓͺÑóìÝΓ*Γ―Γ² Γ*Γ‘ ΓŒΓ‡Γ Ñó÷ïëçèΓ₯ßò ΓΌΓ³Γ― Γ¨Γ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé ìðïñΓ₯ßò Γ¬Γ₯ ôéò Γ*ÝΓ₯Γ² Γ΄Γ₯Γ·Γ*ïëïãßΓ₯Γ²."

Γ£ΓͺÝãΓͺΓ₯ ôþñÑ;
ÑáôÜ ðïá ΓͺÑôÑÀéΓͺÜæù Γ₯ðß Γ³Γ₯éñÜ Γ₯ôþΓ*; (BC/FC ðïá Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ôï ßÀéï ðñÜìÑôÑ, ÑðëÜ Γ§ ΓŒΓ“ ôï Γ³Γ₯ñÒßñΓ₯Γ© ìÝóù ìÜñΓͺΓ₯ôéΓ*Γ£Γͺ ôüóï "üìïñâÑ" ðïá Γ― Ñðëüò ΓͺïóìÜΓͺçò Γ*ïìßæΓ₯Γ© üôé Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé Àýï ÀéÑâïñΓ₯ôéΓͺÜ ðñÜãìÑôÑ. ΒΌΓ·Γ©, Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ÝΓ*Γ‘ ΓͺÑé ìïΓ*ÑÀéΓͺΓΌ: BC).


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"If de-noising algorithms get better that can drastically reduce how many rays you actually have to shoot, and basically just means that everything will be "cheaper", meaning it takes less performance to actually achieve"

ÌΓ₯ôÜâñÑóç (Γ¬Γ₯ ÑðëÜ ëüãéÑ) : Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éÀÞ Γ―Γ© Γ₯Γ* ëüãù Ñëãüñéèìïé (Γ―Γ© de-noising) ãßΓ*Γ―Γ*ôÑé ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ―Γ©, Ñáôü óçìÑßΓ*Γ₯Γ© üôé ìðïñïýìΓ₯ Γ*Γ‘ Γ°Γ₯ôý÷ïáìΓ₯ óôï raytracing ôï ßÀéï ÑðïôÝëΓ₯óìÑ ÷ñçóéìïðïéþΓ*ôÑò ëéãüôΓ₯Γ±Γ₯Γ² "Γ‘ΓͺôßΓ*Γ₯Γ² âùôüò" (rays / paths), ÀçëÑÀÞ Γ¬Γ₯ ëéãüôΓ₯Γ±Γ― ÒÜñïò óôÑ ôóéðÜΓͺéÑ cpu/gpu ìðïñïýìΓ₯ Γ*Γ‘ Γ°Γ₯ôý÷ïáìΓ₯ ôï ßÀéï [raytrace] ÑðïôÝëΓ₯óìÑ".

Γ…Γ°ΓŸΓ³Γ§Γ²: "so this is something that will likely evolve over the course of the PS5 lifecycle as well"
ÌΓ₯ôÜâñÑóç: ΓΌΓ³Γ― Γ’Γ₯ëôéþΓ*Γ―Γ*ôÑé Γ―Γ© Γ₯Γ* ëüãù Ñëãüñéèìïé ΓͺÑé Γ― deep ðñïãñÑììÑôéóìüò, èÑ ìðïñïýìΓ₯ Γ*Γ‘ Γ°Γ₯ôá÷ÑßΓ*ïáìΓ₯ ïëïÝΓ*Γ‘ ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ‘ ÑðïôΓ₯ëÝóìÑôÑ óôï raytracing".
Γ„Γ§Γ«Γ‘Γ€Γž;
ΒΌΓ³Γ― Γ―Γ© 1st party (÷ÝóôΓ₯ ôïáò 3rd party, Ñáôïß Γ₯Γ*ÀéÑâÝñïΓ*ôÑé ìüΓ*Γ― ãéÑ âñÜãΓͺΓ‘ ΓΌΓ·Γ© Γ*Γ‘ ëéþΓ*Γ―Γ΅Γ* óôïΓ* ðñïãñÑììÑôéóìü ΓͺÑé Γ₯Γ�ÝëéΓ�Γ§) ìÑèÑßΓ*Γ―Γ΅Γ* Γ‘Γͺüìç Γ°Γ₯ñéóóüôΓ₯Γ±Γ― ôï PS5, Γ₯Γ�Γ₯ëßóóïáΓ* ôïáò Ñëãüñéèìïáò ΓͺÑé ðñïãñÑììÑôßæïáΓ* Γ‘ΓͺüìÑ ðéï ΓͺΓ―Γ*ôÜ-óôï-ìÝôÑëëï, ôüóï ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ‘ ÑðïôΓ₯ëÝóìÑôÑ èÑ ÒëÝðΓ₯Γ΄Γ₯ óôï raytracing".
ÏáóéÑóôéΓͺÜ, Γ¬Γ₯ ôçΓ* ðÜñïÀï ôïá Γ·Γ±ΓΌΓ*Γ―Γ΅ ôï raytracing èÑ ãßΓ*Γ₯ôÑé ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ―. ÓÔÏ ÉÄÉÏ hardware.


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ãýñù óôï 31:40
"Ôï üôé ÑáΓ�ÜΓ*Γ―Γ*ôÑé Γ―Γ© ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ² Γ³Γ₯ ìéÑ CPU Γ€Γ₯Γ* óçìÑßΓ*Γ₯Γ© ÑáôüìÑôÑ üôé Ý÷Γ₯éò ÐÏËÕ ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ₯Γ² Γ₯ðéÀüóΓ₯éò. Ôï Γ*Γ‘ ÑáΓ�ÞóΓ₯éò ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ², ôï Γ«Γ₯ãüìΓ₯Γ*Γ― parallel processing = ðÑñÜëëçëç Γ₯Γ°Γ₯Γ�Γ₯ñãÑóßÑ, Γ€Γ₯Γ* óçìÑßΓ*Γ₯Γ© üôé ìðïñΓ₯ßò Γ*Γ‘ óðÜóΓ₯éò ÁÑÔÉÁ ôïΓ* ΓͺþÀéΓͺΓ‘ ΓͺÑé ÜñÑ ÑáôüìÑôÑ Ý÷Γ₯éò Γ‘Γ*Üëïãç ÑýΓ�çóç ÑðüÀïóçò Γ¬Γ₯ ôï ðëÞèïò ôùΓ* ðáñÞΓ*ΓΉΓ* ðïá ðñïóÝèΓ₯Γ³Γ₯Γ². Ááôü ðïá ðÑßæΓ₯Γ© ñüëï Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé Γ― ðáñÞΓ*Ñò Γ³Γ₯ ôé ôÑ÷ýôçôÑ ôñÝ÷Γ₯Γ©, ðüóï ãñÞãïñÑ ìðïñΓ₯ß Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ΓͺΓ΄Γ₯ëÝóΓ₯Γ© ìéÑ ðñÜΓ�Γ§ ÀçëÑÀÞ. 펄 GPU Ñðü ôçΓ* Üëëç Γ¬Γ₯ñéÜ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ÝΓ*Γ‘ ôÝñÑò Γ³Γ₯ ðëÞèïò ðáñÞΓ*ΓΉΓ*, Γ―Γ© ïðïßïé üìùò Γ«Γ₯éôïáñãïýΓ* ΓͺÑé ôïáò ðñïãñÑììÑôßæïáìΓ₯ ðïëý ÀéÑâïñΓ₯ôéΓͺÜ."

ΓͺÑé ðñïóèÝôΓ₯Γ© "üôÑΓ* ΓͺÜΓ*Γ₯éò offline raytracing, ôüôΓ₯ Γ―Γ© ðïëëïß ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ² ð÷. 32 Þ 64 ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ² Γ*Ñé, ðÑßæïáΓ* ñüëï = ôï rendering ãßΓ*Γ₯ôÑé ðïëý ãñÞãïñÑ"

óÑò ôï ΓͺÜΓ*ΓΉ ëéÑΓ*Ü:

- online raytracing Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé Ñáôü ðïá ãßΓ*Γ₯ôÑé real-time óôÑ ðÑé÷Γ*ßÀéÑ. Γ“Γ₯ ÑáôÞ ôçΓ* Γ°Γ₯ñßðôùóç Γ‘Γ* Ý÷Γ₯éò ìéÑ CPU Γ¬Γ₯ 16 ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé Γ°Γ₯éò "Ñò ÒÜëù 32 ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ²" ôüôΓ₯ Γ€Γ₯Γ* èÑ ðÜñΓ₯éò ôçΓ* Γ‘Γ*Üëïãç ÑýΓ�çóç ÀýΓ*Ñìçò +Γ₯Γ�ôñÑ 16 ðáñÞΓ*ΓΉΓ*.

- offline raytracing Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ôÑ CGI ðïá âôéÜ÷Γ*ïáìΓ₯ ãéÑ ôçëΓ₯üñÑóç, Γ³Γ₯éñÝò, ΓͺΓ©Γ*çìÑôïãñÜâï. ÔÑ Γ³Γ·Γ₯ÀéÜæïáìΓ₯ ΓͺÑé âÑßΓ*Γ―Γ*ôÑé óôï Γ‘Γ*èñþðéΓ*Γ― ìÜôé ðïëý ÜèëéÑ. ¼ôÑΓ* Γ΄Γ₯Γ«Γ₯éþóïáìΓ₯ ôïΓ* Γ³Γ·Γ₯ÀéÑóìü ôïáò ðÑôÜìΓ₯ ôï ΓͺïáìðÜΓͺΓ© "render" ΓͺÑé Γ°Γ₯ñéìÝΓ*ïáìΓ₯ ΓΎΓΉΓΉΓΉΓ±Γ₯Γ², ìÝΓ₯Γ₯Γ₯Γ₯Γ±Γ₯Γ², Γ₯ÒÀïìÜÑÑÑÀΓ₯Γ² ΓͺÑôÜ Γ°Γ₯ñßðôùóç ΓͺÑé ðÑñÑðÜΓ*ΓΉ (ìÞΓ*Γ₯Γ²) ãéÑ Γ*Γ‘ Γ΄Γ₯Γ«Γ₯éþóΓ₯Γ© ôï render ΓͺÑé Γ*Γ‘ ìÑò ÀþóΓ₯Γ© ôï Γ΄Γ₯ëéΓͺΓΌ CGI-ìïá-ðÝâôïáΓ*-ôÑ-óÑãüΓ*éÑ ôï ïðïßï Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé Γ³Γ₯ ìïñâÞ ÂÉÍÔÅÏ. Γ…ΓͺΓ₯ß ΓΌΓ³Γ― ðñïóèÝôΓ₯éò ðáñÞΓ*Γ₯Γ² (RAM, GPU, Γͺëð) ôüóï ëéãüôΓ₯Γ±Γ― Γ°Γ₯ñéìÝΓ*Γ₯éò Γ*Γ‘ ãßΓ*Γ₯Γ© ôï Γ΄Γ₯ëéΓͺΓΌ render. Γ„Γ§Γ«Γ‘Γ€Γž: ÄÅÍ ÑâïñÜ ôï offline raytracing ôÑ videogames.


ΓͺÑé ΓͺÜðïá Γ₯ΓͺΓ₯ß óôÑìÜôçóΓ₯ Γ§ Γ‘Γ*Üëáóç óôï ÒßΓ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ― ôïá ÓÝñΓ*Γ΅, ëÝãïΓ*ôÑò üôé óôï Part 3 èÑ Ñó÷ïëçèΓ₯ß Γ¬Γ₯ Γ±Γ₯ýìÑôÑ ΓͺÑé üëÑ ôÑ áðüëïéðÑ ôïá ÒßΓ*Γ΄Γ₯Γ―.

[Slay]

On top of all that, developers and publishers continue to praise the design of the PS5. Some have told GamesBeat that it has a better architecture than any console in history. So studios may find it a joy to work with.

https://venturebeat.com/2020/05/29/p...ne-4-showcase/

[Leon_DiZ]

Rumor: PS5 doesn't look like Xbox Series X, "very fat", almost twice as fat as PS4 Pro

This rumor comes from a Russian website about videogames GameMag which is popular in Russia. They got the info from "a specialist who's developing a popular American game which will be available on PS5 in the future".

- final design doesn't look like anything that has been leaked before
- PS5 has one unique detail, nobody talked about it because Sony most likely can track down the leaker if it actually leaks
- Sony didn't unveil all the secrets of PS5, they should announce at least one software feature - "it was briefly talked about in Western press but nobody paid enough attention"
- design-wise PS5 doesn't look like Xbox Series X at all nor does it look like a smart speaker. It's a traditional console: it's a flat, square, symmetrical box with rounded edges
- at the same time PS5 is "very fat", almost twice as fat as PS4 Pro

https://gamemag.ru/news/147024/plays...-5-leak-inside

Ôï ÒÜæù Γ*Γ‘ áðÜñ÷Γ₯Γ©, ÑëëÜ ìïá âÑßΓ*Γ₯ôÑé ëßãï ÑðßèÑΓ*Γ―. ÌðïñΓ₯ß Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßìÑé ΓͺÑé in denial ÒÝÒÑéÑ ãéÑôß Γ€Γ₯Γ* èÝëù Γ*Γ‘ ΓΆΓ‘Γ*ôÑóôþ ΓͺÜôé ðïá Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé 2 âïñÝò ðéï Γ·Γ―Γ*ôñü Ñðü ôï Pro

[tomic20]

Rumor: PS5 doesn't look like Xbox Series X, "very fat", almost twice as fat as PS4 Pro




https://gamemag.ru/news/147024/plays...-5-leak-inside

Ôï ÒÜæù Γ*Γ‘ áðÜñ÷Γ₯Γ©, ÑëëÜ ìïá âÑßΓ*Γ₯ôÑé ëßãï ÑðßèÑΓ*Γ―. ÌðïñΓ₯ß Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßìÑé ΓͺÑé in denial ÒÝÒÑéÑ ãéÑôß Γ€Γ₯Γ* èÝëù Γ*Γ‘ ΓΆΓ‘Γ*ôÑóôþ ΓͺÜôé ðïá Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé 2 âïñÝò ðéï Γ·Γ―Γ*ôñü Ñðü ôï Pro

But the console is very thick. It is almost twice as thick as the PlayStation 4 Pro .

Γ₯Γ¬Γ₯Γ*Γ‘ Ñáôï ìïá 񋄾Γ₯Γ© ôï google translate , Γ±ΓΎΓ³Γ©ΓͺΓ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ*Γ₯éò?

[Leon_DiZ]

But the console is very thick. It is almost twice as thick as the PlayStation 4 Pro .

Γ₯Γ¬Γ₯Γ*Γ‘ Ñáôï ìïá 񋄾Γ₯Γ© ôï google translate , Γ±ΓΎΓ³Γ©ΓͺΓ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ*Γ₯éò?

Ôï "thick" ΓͺÑé ôï "Γ·Γ―Γ*ôñü" ôÑ Γ₯ΓͺëÑìÒÜΓ*ΓΉ ΓΉΓ² ðéï "øçëü" óôçΓ* ïáóßÑ, Γ³Γ‘Γ* Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé 2 Pro ôï ÝΓ*Γ‘ ðÜΓ*ΓΉ óôï Üëëï.

[tomic20]

Ôï "thick" ΓͺÑé ôï "Γ·Γ―Γ*ôñü" ôÑ Γ₯ΓͺëÑìÒÜΓ*ΓΉ ΓΉΓ² ðéï "øçëü" óôçΓ* ïáóßÑ, Γ³Γ‘Γ* Γ*Γ‘ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé 2 Pro ôï ÝΓ*Γ‘ ðÜΓ*ΓΉ óôï Üëëï.

ìëΓͺéÑ Γ₯ãñÑøÑ, Γ₯Γ·Γ₯éò ÀéΓͺéï

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Γ‡ éóôïñßÑ èÑ ôï Γ€Γ₯ßΓ�Γ₯Γ© ÑëëÜ ΓͺÑéΓ*ïýñãéï Post megaton Ñðü ôïΓ* AquariusZ óôï site ðïá ãñÜâΓ₯Γ©:

https://t.co/DnR8B6wjJl?amp=1

ÌΓ₯ôÜâñÑóç Ñðü ôïΓ* Retired:

I saw this. Didn't translate cos the PTT folks don't like it.Re PS5, he said Sony could have stolen the thunder initially; A0 was under test from 2H'18. Apparently something very wrong; spent the entire 1H'19 salvaging. In the end, changed to C0 and started over during 2H'19.

ÌÜëëïΓ* Γ₯ΓͺΓ₯ß Γ―ΓΆΓ₯ßëïΓ*ôÑé ôÑ üðïéÑ rumors ãéÑ ôçΓ* Γ³Γ·Γ₯ÀßÑóç ΓͺÑé ôçΓ* ΓΈΓ½Γ�Γ§ Γͺôë. ðïá ÑâïñïýóÑΓ* óôçΓ* ïáóßÑ ðñïÒëçìÑôéΓͺΓΌ ó÷ÝÀéï ΓͺΓ―Γ*óüëÑò ðïá "Γ΄Γ₯óôÑñéæüôÑΓ*" ãéÑ launch ôï 2019.

Γ„Γ₯Γ* Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ ΓͺΓ‘Γ*ÝΓ*Γ‘ ëüãï Þ ΓͺþëáìÑ Γ§ Sony ãéÑ ôÑ 36 CU.

Source:

Þ ÒÑóßóôçΓͺΓ₯ óôï navi 10 Þ èÑ Ý÷Γ₯Γ© 36cu ãéÑ BC Compatibility Γ¬Γ₯ ôï ps4/pro ãéÑ ôïΓ* ÑéþΓ*Γ‘ ôïΓ* ÜðÑΓ*ôÑ.

Åãþ ðéóôΓ₯Γ½ΓΉ ôï Γ€Γ₯Γ½Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ―.

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ÌÜëëïΓ* Γ₯ΓͺΓ₯ß Γ―ΓΆΓ₯ßëïΓ*ôÑé ôÑ üðïéÑ rumors ãéÑ ôçΓ* Γ³Γ·Γ₯ÀßÑóç ΓͺÑé ôçΓ* ΓΈΓ½Γ�Γ§ Γͺôë. ðïá ÑâïñïýóÑΓ* óôçΓ* ïáóßÑ ðñïÒëçìÑôéΓͺΓΌ ó÷ÝÀéï ΓͺΓ―Γ*óüëÑò ðïá "Γ΄Γ₯óôÑñéæüôÑΓ*" ãéÑ launch ôï 2019.

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ÐçãÞ ãéÑ ôï quote ðïá ÝΓͺΓ‘Γ*Γ‘ èÝëù, ΓΌΓ·Γ© ãéÑ ôçΓ* Γ¬Γ₯ôÜâñÑóç.

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ÌÑ ôï ãñÜâΓ₯Γ© óôçΓ* Γ¬Γ₯ôÜâñÑóç.

Ôï Ariel A0 Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ bug óôÑ test H2/2018, ôï ΓͺÜΓ*Γ‘Γ*Γ₯ salvage óôï H1/19 ΓͺÑé ÑëëÜΓ�Γ‘Γ*Γ₯ revisions ΓͺÑé Üñ÷éóΓ₯ Γ³Γ‘Γ* C0 H2/19 Γ*Γ‘ ΓͺÑôÑóΓͺΓ₯áÜæΓ₯ôÑé.

Γ‡ ðçãÞ Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ðÜΓ*ΓΉ ðÜΓ*ΓΉ óôï post ìïá.

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ÑðëÑ Γ*Γ‘ èáìéóù ΓͺÑé Ñáôü, Ýôóé ΓͺïáÒÝΓ*ôÑ Γ*Γ‘ ãéΓ*Γ₯ôÑé...

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ÌÑΓͺÜñé - ÑëëÜ Γ‘Γ* óáãΓͺñßΓ*Γ₯éò ôï track record ôïá Aquarius ZI, ôçΓ* Γ¨Γ₯ìÑôïëïãßÑ ðïá ΓͺÑôÑðéÜΓ*Γ₯ôÑé Γ― https://twitter.com/chiakokhua?lang=en Γ― ïðïßïò Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé Γ― Γ¬Γ₯ôÑâñÑóôÞò óôçΓ* ïáóßÑ óôçΓ* óáãΓͺΓ₯ΓͺñéìÝΓ*Γ§ Γ°Γ₯ñßðôùóç - Γ₯ ΓͺÜðïá ΓͺÜôé ΓͺÜΓ*Γ₯éò ëÜèïò. Ááôüò ðïá Γ‘Γ*ÑâÝñΓ₯éò Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé leaker ΓͺÑôçãïñßÑò 13.8 TF....

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ÊÑé Ñáôü èÑ Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ ãßΓ*Γ₯Γ©.

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ÌΓ₯ôÜ ôïΓ* Schreier ðïá Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ Γ°Γ₯Γ© ôï ßÀéï ðñÜãìÑ ΓͺÑé Γ― Grubb ìÑò Γ₯Γ*çìΓ₯Γ±ΓΎΓ*Γ₯Γ© üôé Γ₯ßΓ*Ñé ΓͺÑôΓ₯Γ*èïáóéÑóìÝΓ*Γ―Γ© Γ―Γ© devs Γ¬Γ₯ ôï PS5

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