Íáé, ï Erebus ìéëÜåé ãéá 2Ô Flash Storage ðñïò 499 åõñþ (óå äéáöïñåôéêü tweet).
Íá äù 2Ô Flash Storage óôá ìüëéò 499 êáé ?*á ìç?* ôï ðéóôÝøù! Á?* ôï êáôáöÝñåé áõôü ç Sony (ìå ÷áóïýñá áñ÷éêþò üðùò óôá PS1/2/3) ÷ßëéá ìðñÜâï ôçò!
Íáé, ï Erebus ìéëÜåé ãéá 2Ô Flash Storage ðñïò 499 åõñþ (óå äéáöïñåôéêü tweet).
Íá äù 2Ô Flash Storage óôá ìüëéò 499 êáé ?*á ìç?* ôï ðéóôÝøù! Á?* ôï êáôáöÝñåé áõôü ç Sony (ìå ÷áóïýñá áñ÷éêþò üðùò óôá PS1/2/3) ÷ßëéá ìðñÜâï ôçò!
Ðá?*ôùò ëåõôåñç ï óõãêåêñéìå?*ïò åß?*áé ðïëý áîéüðéóôïò leaker.
Ïðùôå èá ìéëáìå ãéá ðïëý åõ÷áñéóôá ?*åá, á?* ï?*ôùò ôá ðñáãìáôá ãé?*ïõ?* êáðùò åôóé….
Äå?* åß?*áé leaker - åß?*áé controlled leaker ãéá ?*á ôóéìðÜ?*å á?*ôéäñÜóåéò.
Áðï ôç?* éäéá ôç?* óï?*õ äçëáäç å?
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Sir_Teraflop (24-11-2019)
Öõóéïëïãéêç ç ôéìÞ ãéá áõôç ôç?* ÷ùñçôéêüôçôá, áëëá ç ã?*þìç ìïõ åé?*áé ïôé èá ðñÝðåé ?*á âãÜëåé êáé å?*á SKU óôá 399
Åðéóçò áõôï ðïõ ëååé 1ç öïñá ôï áêïõù, åé÷áìå áêïõóåé ãéá óõìâáôïôçôá ìå ôï 4, áëëá ï÷é ãéá ÏËÁ ôá playstation êáé ìáëéóôá óå ÄÉÓÊÁÊÉÁ.
Åß÷å áêïõóôåß êáé ðáëáéüôåñá. Ðéï óõãêåêñéìÝ?*á ìå Ý?*á tweet ôïõ óôõë "ìç?* ðåôÜîåôå ôá äéóêÜêéá PS1/2/3" (ðåñß PS4 åß÷å Þäç á?*áöåñèåß ç óõìâáôüôçôá)
Ï ëüãïò -êáô' åìÝ- åß?*áé áðëüò.
¸÷ïõ?*-äïõëåýïõ?* ôïõò PS1/2 emulators áðü ôç?* åðï÷Þ ôïõ PS3 = ãé' áõôü åß÷áìå ðáé÷?*ßäéá PS1/PS2 ðïõ Ýðáéæá?* óôï PS3 ìå ìï?*áäéêÞ âåëôßùóç ôç?* ôå÷?*çôÞ áýîçóç á?*Üëõóçò.
Áêïëïýèùò êáé óôï PS4, åß÷á?* Þäç ðñïóöÝñåé ðáé÷?*ßäéá áðü PS1/2/3 ïõóéáóôéêÜ ìÝóù emulation.
Åìöá?*þò ëïéðü?* ôá ðáñáðÜ?*ù ìåôáöÝñï?*ôáé óôï PS5.
Control devs say PS5 will let us "have much more detail in the game worlds than before
ðñïöá?*ùò áõôï äå?* åé?*áé êáôé êáé?*ïõñéï, ãéáôé ìéëáìå ãéá ?*åá ãå?*éá, áëëá áõôï ðïõ ëå?*å å÷åé ?*á êá?*åé ìå ôï?* SSD.
With it, though, the SSD will lift the restrictions imposed by current systems, and will enable developers to craft more detailed worlds. "For something like Control, that could translate to an even deeper destruction system, richer, more detailed worlds, and simple quality-of-life improvements like instant reloading after dying." Technical director Mika Vehkala said that the SSD will also allow Remedy to stream in more data, "allowing us to have much more detail in game worlds than before."Äå?* èá õðáñ÷åé ï ðåñéïñéóìïò óå öïñôùóç data á?*á frame, êáôé ðïõ áðï ìï?*ï ôïõ ìðïñåé ?*á êá?*åé ôç?* äéáöïñá. Åöïóï?* öçìïëïãåéôáé ïôé èá åé?*áé êáé áñêåôá äõ?*áôåò ïé ?*ååò êï?*óïëåò, ðéèá?*ï?* óõ?*ïëéêá ?*á äïõìå áðï ôá ìåãáëõôåñá áëìáôá ðïõ å÷ïõìå äåé ìå÷ñé óçìåñá óå ?*åá ãå?*éá.Vehkala also highlighted that harnessing the power of the SSD will also mean that games will require smaller install sizes, as "there is no need to duplicate data to compensate for slow seek times that optical drives and HDDs have."
Êáôé ðïõ óå êáðïéï âáèìï èá ÷áèåé áðï ôï diminishing returns âåâáéá. Káèùò ðïóï ðéá ìðïñåé ?*á âåëôéùèåé áõôïSpoiler!
btw äéáâáóá å?*á ðáëéï ðïóô å?*ïò video game artist ôçò Guerrilla ãéá ôï diminishing returns
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comm...ture_is_a_bad/So anyways - about the actual issue at hand; there really is a diminishing returns issue in games. Every time you double the amount of polygons, the subject will only look marginally better than the previous generation did. The difference between PS1 and PS2 was enormous. The difference between PS2 and PS3 was smaller, although still very significant. The difference between PS3 and PS4 is clearly noticeable, but it's not as big a leap as previous generations were. Future generations will no doubt offer smaller changes in graphical fidelity, and put more focus on added features.
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Ïé äéáöïñåò ðïõ èá äïõìå èá åé?*áé êõñéùò óå áôìïóöáéñá, ðïëõðëïêïôçôá ôïðéù?*, physics (ñïõ÷á, ëáóðåò, ?*åñï) öùôéóìïõò êáé á?*ôá?*áêëáóåéò. Ï?*ôùò ï -ëåìå ôùñá- Nathan Drake ôïõ PS5 èá å÷åé ðïëõ ðïëõ ðåñéóóïôåñç ëåðôïìåñéá áðï áõôï?* ôïõ 4 áëëá ãéá ?*á ôç?* äåéò áõôç?* ôç?* ëåðôïìåñéá ðñáêôéêá, èá ðñåðåé ?*á ìðåéò óôï öùôï mode êáé ?*á æïõìáñåéò ðá?*ù óôï ÷áñáêôçñá, ?*á äåéò ìéá ìéêñïóêïðéêç åëéá óôï ìáãïõëï ôïõ êáé ?*á æïõìáñåéò êé áëëï êáé ?*á äåéò ïôé å?*áò ôõðïò ðçãå êáé åâáëå 5 ôñé÷åò åêåé êáé áêïõóï?* áêïõóï?* å÷ïõ?* physics êáé êé?*ïõ?*ôáé á?*áëïãá ôï?* áåñá!
Çäç ôùñá óôï Horizon êá?*áìå æïõì ãéá ?*á ìáèïõìå ïôé óôá ìáôéá ôçò Alloy á?*ôá?*áêëáôáé ôï ðåñéâáëëï?*. ×ùñéò photo mode ïõôå ðïõ èá ôï åðáéñ?*å ÷áìðáñé ðïôå êá?*å?*áò. Ïðïôå ?*áé å÷ïõ?* ?*á ÷áèïõ?* ðïëëåååò ëåðôïìåñéåò ôç?* åðïìå?*ç ãå?*éá, åêôïò áðï áõôïõò ðïõ èá êáèï?*ôáé ?*á ôéò á?*áêáëõðôïõ?* ìå æïõì 600% ôç?* åéêï?*á. Äçëáäç ôï Digital Foundry
Ôï diminishing returns åé?*áé å?*áò ïñïò ðïõ äå?* îåñù á?* ôï?* ÷ñçóéìïðïéïõ?* ìï?*ï ãéá ôï polygon count ç ãå?*éêùò. Á?* á?*áöåñåôáé ìï?*ï óôá ðïëõãù?*á, ?*áé ðñïöá?*ùò êáé å÷ïõìå öôáóåé óå å?*á óçìåéï ðïõ äå?* èá äïõìå ìåãáëåò äéáöïñåò ïðïôå éóùò áðï å?*á óçìåéï êáé ìåôá äå?* å÷åé ?*ïçìá ?*á óðáôáëïõ?*ôáé ðïñïé ãé áõôï ôï ðñáãìá êáé ãéá ?*á âëåðïõìå äéáöïñåò ìå æïõì x10 îåñù ãù. Ãå?*éêïôåñá óôá ãñáöéêá èåùñù ïôé å÷ïõìå áêïìá ðïëõ äñïìï ?*á äéá?*õóïõìå êáé ôá óõã÷ñï?*á ãñáöéêá ðáéñ?*ïõ?* ôï?*ïõò âåëôéùóåù?*. Ðïëëåò öïñåò áéóèá?*ïìáé ïôé ïëï ôï âáñïò ðåöôåé óôç?* ðïéïôçôá åéêï?*áò, áò ðïõìå ôï animation äå?* å÷åé åîåëé÷èåé á?*áëïãá. Ôá physics åðéóçò åé?*áé å?*ôåëùò rudimentary óôï 99% ôù?* ðáé÷?*éäéù?*, ïé äéáöïñåò ðïõ å÷ïõìå äåé áðï ôç?* ðñïçãïõìå?*ç ãå?*éá åé?*áé ìçäáìé?*åò êáé ðá?*ôá áðï óõãêåêñéìå?*á studios. Õðáñ÷ïõ?* ðïëëá ðáñáäåéãìáôá ðáé÷?*éäéù?* ðïõ ïôá?* ôá âëåðåéò óå still images åé?*áé gorgeous, ïôá?* ôá âëåðåéò óå êé?*çóç åðá?*åñ÷åóáé áìåóùò óôç?* ðñáãìáôéêïôçôá.
Ðñïóùðéêá ôï ray tracing óå åðéðåäï öùôéóìù?* èåùñù ïôé çäç å÷åé äåéîåé ðïóï ôåñáóôéá äéáöïñá ìðïñåé ?*á êá?*åé óôç?* ðáñïõóéáóç å?*ïò ðáé÷?*éäéïõ, ôåôïéåò ôå÷?*ïëïãéåò óå óõ?*äéáóìï ìå ôç?* åîåëéîç óå åðéðåäï physics/ animation ìðïñïõ?* ?*á êá?*ïõ?* ôåñáóôéá äéáöïñá. Áðëá èåùñù ïôé å÷åé êïëëçóåé ëéãï ç âåëï?*á óå åðéðåäï ãñáöéêù?* ìå ôç?* áðïäïóç, á?*áëõóåéò êáé frame rates. Êáé 48Ê ?*á öôáóåé ç á?*áëõóç á?* ôï animation åé?*áé éäéï ìå ðáé÷?*éäéá ôïõ 2012 ç äéáöïñá äå?* èá öá?*åé.
Äå?* å÷ù éäåá ðïóï åãêõñï ìðïñåé ?*á åé?*áé áõôï âåâáéá (ìéëáìå ãéá devkits), áðëá á?*áðáñáãåôáé êáé åéðá ?*á ôï âáëù.According to a new report, games are running better on the PlayStation 5 in comparison to running on Xbox Scarlett, Xbox's untitled next-gen console. As you may know, previous reports from earlier this year have all suggested that the PS5 is more powerful than the Xbox Scarlett. If this is the case, then games running better on the Sony console makes sense. However, for now, this unofficial scuttlebutt. That said, according to yet another report, the PS5 is the superior of the two consoles, or at least it looks that way right now.
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/11...s-performance/
Sir_Teraflop (24-11-2019)
Ôá ðá?*ôá áöïñá ?*ïìéæù, êáé ìáëëï?* óôç?* á?*áëõóç å÷åé åñèåé ðéï ãñçãïñá ôï diminishing returns. Måôá ôï native 4K äå?* èá âëåðïõìå á?*áëïãåò äéáöïñåò ìå ôï 480 óå 720 ð÷.(ìï?*ï óå VR èá å÷åé ?*ïçìá ç áõîçóç á?*áëõóçò)
Åðéóçò á?* ðá?*å óå 60áñé óôáèåñï, ïôéäçðïôå ðá?*ù áðï åêåé èá ìðïñïõóå ?*á èåùñçèåé diminishing returns. Ðá?*ôá õðáñ÷åé âåëôéùóç óå á?*áëõóç, ðïëõãù?*á, frames, áðëá êáðïéá óôéãìç äå?* èá å÷åé ?*ïçìá. Áõôï åé?*áé êáëï âåâáéá ãéáôé ïé ðïñïé èá ÷ñçóéìïðïéïõ?*ôáé ðåñéóóïôåñï ãéá ïôé áðïìå?*åé ïðùò ëåò. Äå?* åé?*áé áðáñáéôçôï ð÷ ?*á áõîçóåéò ôïóï ðïëõ ïóï óôï ðáñåëèï?* ôá ðïëõãù?*á óôá ìï?*ôåëá. Ôá õðïëïéðá ðïëõãù?*á ìðïñïõ?* ?*á ÷ñçóéìïðïéçèïõ?* ãéá å?*á ðéï ãåìáôï ðåñéâáëëï?* êáé draw distance. Káôé ðïõ èá ìðïñåé ?*á óçêù?*åé êáé ï SSD.
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ÐÜëé äéáâÜæù ôéò ðßðåò ôïõ 2013, üôé êáé êáëá ç MS ìå "software" èá êëåéóåé ôï power gap. Äå?* åãé?*å ôïôå, äå?* èá ãé?*åé êáé ôùñá, ÁËËÁ.....
ðñáãìáôéêÜ äå?* ðéóôåõù ïôé èá ìðïñïõìå ?*á äïõìå äéáöïñåò, åéäéêá óå ðáé÷?*éäéá êëåéäùìÝ?*á óôá 30 êáñå. Éóùò ôï PS5 ?*á åé?*áé ðåñéóóïôåñï future proof ãéá 8K (ðïõ èåùñù á÷ñçóôï ãéá ôçëåïñáóç), áëëá ãéá 4Ê ðïõ èá åé?*áé å?*á ìåãáëï ìåñïò ôù?* ðáé÷?*éäéù?* ïé äéáöïñÝò èá åé?*áé äõóäéÜêñéôåò. ÌÏÍÇ äéáöïñÜ èá ìðïñïýóå ?*á åß?*áé óå VR, ÁÍ ç MS ðáåé êáé áõôÞ óå êÜðïéá VR óõóêåõç, ïðïõ ôï êáëõôåñï hardware èá ìðïñåé ?*á âáñáåé ìåãáëõôåñá frame rates.
Eãù áëëï óêåöôïìáé, ìå ôç ëïãéêç ïôé ïé êï?*óïëåò èá öïñá?*å ôá éäéá ðá?*ù êáôù ìå ìéêñåò äéáöïñåò, äå?* õðáñ÷åé ðåñéèùñéï ?*á ìáôóáñåé ï å?*áò ôï?* áëëï?* óå specs ìå÷ñé ôï launch ç ðéï óùóôá ìå÷ñé ?*á îåêé?*çóåé ç ðáñáãùãç?
ðïëõ ðïéï ðñé?*, áêüìá êáé ì?*çìç åé?*áé äõóêïëï ?*á âáëåéò ðáñáðÜ?*ù óå ìåôáãå?*åóôåñï ÷ñü?*ï ãéáôé åé?*áé êïëëçìå?*ç óôç?* ìçôñéêç. Á?* èõìáóáé ôá ðñùôá ps4 åé÷á?* ôç?* ì?*çìç óå clamshell configuration ãéá áõôï ôï?* ëïãï. Ðáéñ?*åéò êáðïéåò áðïöáóåéò êÜðïéá óôéãìç êáé ìå?*åéò ìå÷ñé ôï ôåëïò ìå áõôåò, äå?* åé?*áé Pc ?*á áëëáîåéò áðëá å?*á åîáñôçìá.
hakoo (23-11-2019)
Ï ßäéïò ï ?*üìïò ôïõ Moore Ý÷åé óôïõêÜñåé. Ïðüôå ðñïöá?*þò ü?*ôùò èá õðÜñ÷ïõ?* diminishing returns áðü åäþ êáé ðÝñá.
Äå?* åß?*áé ôõ÷áßï üôé ôï selling point åß?*áé ôá Loading times, immersive worlds, physics êôë. ðñÜãìáôá ôá ïðïßá ïöåßëï?*ôáé óôï õðïóýóôçìá äéáìåôáãùãÞò êáé ôç?* Cpu å?* ìÝñåé êáé ü÷é ôç?* éó÷ý ôçò GPU.
Áðü åêåß êáé ðÝñá ôï èåùñþ äåäïìÝ?*ï üôé ìå üëåò ôéò ôå÷?*ïëïãßåò dynamic scaling èá ðÜìå óå 60áñé. Áðü ôç?* Nvidia (DLSS) êáé ôï VRS óôéò AMD, ìÝ÷ñé ôï ÔÁÁ êáé Üëëá êüëðá, ôï êüëðï Ý÷åé óôçèåß.
Áõôü ðïõ èÝëù ?*á äù åß?*áé êáôÜ ðüóï èá óôçñé÷èïý?* óå öÜóç VRR ãéá åõêïëßá êáé öõóéêÜ ?*á óðñþîïõ?* ...ôçëåïñÜóåéò.
Äå?* ìéëÜù ãéá ôç?* Sony áðïêëåéóôéêÜ. Óõ?*åñãáôéêÜ ãß?*ï?*ôáé üëá áõôÜ...
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2~3 ÷ñü?*éá ìåôÜ óôï next gen ôï 120fps èá åß?*áé ôï 60áñé ôïõ óÞìåñá. Bookmark this.
Nope. Äéáöù?*þ ãéá ôï 120Üñé.
ÓêÝöôåóáé óá?* PCÜêéáò, ãé áõôü ôï ëåò.
¸÷ïõìå 6K TV ùò å?*äéÜìåóï óôÜäéï (ðïõ äå?* èá ðïëõðñïìïôáñéóôåß Ýùò êáèüëïõ) êáé Ý÷ïõìå 8Ê TV ðïõ èá ðñÝðåé ?*á ðïõëÞóïõ?* óôéò next-next gen êï?*óüëåò.
ÅÊÅÉ åß?*áé ôá ëåöôÜ êáé ü÷é óôéò ðßðåò ôù?* PCÜêéäù?* (ãéáôß ðåñß ðéðþ?* ðñüêåéôáé) ìå 120/144Hz êáé ìå ôï ðïõë.......å÷ì, ôï mouse êáé ôï ðëçêôñïëüãéï óôï ÷Ýñé (ÅËÅÏÓ ôá ðáéäéÜ ðáßæïõ?* üðùò ðáßæáìå 1980-1985 ìå Spectrum/Amstrad ðëçêôñïëüãéá. Áêüìá êáé ï Commodore 64 åß÷å êëÜóåé ôá ðëçêôñïëüãéá êáé åß÷å joystick).
Nerds all over rejoice.
Ôï 120 åß?*áé ôï target refresh rate ðïëëþ?* ôçëåïñÜóåù?* áêüìá êáé óÞìåñá êáé êÜôé basic ãéá ôï HDMI 2.1
ÕðÜñ÷ïõ?* Þäç games óôï ps4 ðïõ Ý÷ïõ?* 120fps target frame rate áëëÜ êáé áêüìá êáé óå áõôÜ ðïõ åß?*áé wonnabe 60 ôï ×1× ð.÷. åðùöåëåßôáé ìå ëßãï ðéï smooth frametime (tearing óôï 1440p/120 display mode).
ÄéáöïñåôéêÜ 30 äÞèå?* ìå Üðåéñï motion blur (ôï ïðïßá óðÜ?*éá åß?*áé POBM) êáé ... ghosting.
Oóï áêïõìðáìå óôï diminishing ôïóï ðéï ðéèá?*ï ?*á äùóïõ?* ðåñéóóïôåñá frames äå?* äéáöù?*ù. Èá ôï êá?*ïõ?* ïìùò? ãéá ?*á äïõìå.
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ÕðÜñ÷ïõ?* Þäç ðáé÷?*ßäéá óôï PS4 ðïõ óôï÷åýïõ?* óôá 120 fps;
(öõóéêÜ êáé ôï VR äå?* óõììåôÝ÷åé ùò åðé÷åßñçìá, êáèþò á?*áöåñüìáóôå óå ôçëåïñÜóåéò)
Ðïéá åß?*áé áõôÜ ôá ðáé÷?*ßäéá ñå ðáéäéÜ; ¸÷ù ÷Üóåé ôüóá ðïëëÜ åðåéóüäéá (ðïõ äå ôï ?*ïìßæù) ;;;
Ãéá ðåßôå ìïõ óôá ðáñáêáëþ ôá PS4 ðáé÷?*ßäéá ìå 120 fps target ðïõ êéüëáò õðÜñ÷ïõ?* Þäç...
Faster loading times on Scarlett/PS5 will be dependent on optimisation and developer priorities (AI, Gfx, physics, HFR)
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/faste...s-hfr.1512190/
¼÷é ðùò ëÝåé êÜôé êáé?*ïýñãéï ï Ü?*èñùðïò áëëÜ ?*á ìç?* ?*ïìßæïõìå ðùò èá Ý÷åé êáé ôñáãéêÞ äéÜöïñá óôá loading times óôá ðáé÷?*ßäéá ?*Ýáò ãå?*éÜò áëëÜ óßãïõñá èá âïçèÞóåé óôï ?*á "äïõëÝøïõ?*" ôá ðáé÷?*ßäéá üðùò äå?* èá ìðïñïýóá?* ?*á äïõëÝøïõ?* ìå ôá ôùñé?*Ü óõóôÞìáôá
Áðü ôç?* Üëëç âÝâáéá ?*á êÜ?*åé ëüãï ç Remedy ãéá optimization óôéò êï?*óüëåò ìïõ êÜ?*åé êÜðùò åéñù?*éêü
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