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    Sure, ïìùò ãéá íá å÷åé ôåëåéï lép sync èá åðñåðå õðïèåôù íá ãéíåé êáé äåõôåñï motion capture ìå áëëïõò çèïðïéïõò êáôé ðïõ åéíáé ðñáêôéêá áäõíáôï.
    Ôïõëá÷éóôïí áðï áõôá ôá ìéêñá êïììáôáêéá ðïõ ìðïñïõìå íá äïõìå å÷åé ãéíåé ðñïóðáèåéá ïé áôáêåò ÷ñïíéêá íá ôáéñéáæïõí ìå ôéò áíôéóôïé÷åò óôá Áããëéêá, íá ìçí âëåðïõìå äëä óôïìáôá íá áíïéãïêëåéíïõí ÷ùñéò ç÷ï ç ôï áíôéèåôï.



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    Å, ðùò Þôáí ðñéí 35-40 ÷ñüíéá ïé éáðùíéêï-êéíåæéêÝò ôáéíßåò êáñÜôå/íéíôæá ðïõ åß÷áí áããëéêü íôïõìðëÜñéóìá ìå áðïôÝëåóìá ï çèïðïéüò íá êïõíÜ ôï óôüìá ôïõ áóýóôïëá åíþ áêïõãüôáí "I am all right";;;

    Ôþñá åßíáé ôï áíôßóôñïöï. ºäéá ãåëïéüôçôá/ðñï÷åéñüôçôá/Ýëëåéøç ðþñùí.

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    Äåí åßíáé áðáñáßôçôï üôé èá åßíáé ßäéï ôï lip sync üôáí êõêëïöïñÞóåé. Åßíáé óýíçèåò óå ðáé÷íéäéá ðïõ Ý÷ïõí ìåãÜëï install base íá êÜíïõí lip sync óå ðáñáðÜíù áðü ìéá ãëþóóåò.
    Spoiler (ðáé÷íéäéá/ôáéíéåò/âéâëéá) -äåí ðá íá ÷åé âãåé 100 ÷ñïíéá ç ôáéíéá- = -rep

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    "Ðïõ Ý÷ïõí".

    Áõôü üìùò äåí Ý÷åé êáíÝíá installed base, üíôáò íÝï IP.

    ÌáêÜñé ç Sony íá Ý÷åé äéáèÝóåé åðÜñêåéá ðþñùí ãéá ðïëëáðëü lip sync ðÜíôùò.

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    ¡When we decided this was what we wanted to do … we had two concerns, and number one was is it just us?¢, says Zimmerman. ¡Because people haven¢t been making samurai games like this, so is it just us that¢s excited about this but nobody else is going to be? And it was really a relief when it became clear that this is something that a lot of people feel like, ¡Why isn¢t there a game like this already?¢

    ¡And the second part was are we gonna be allowed to build this? Is a Western team… does this make sense? Are people gonna feel like we should be the ones to make this game? And again it was a relief when both our partners at Sony – the people that we¢ve worked with since forever – and also the Japanese consumers were open to the idea of a Western developer working on a game like this. And we take that responsibility very seriously.¢

    ¡We work very hard to find the right people in Sony, and outside of Sony, to help us make a game that respects this culture and this time and place, to get the details right. So we have layers of experts helping us with combat and with religion and with history… and we have a dialect coach to make sure the Japanese is actually ancient Japanese and we make sure the kanji is actually 13th century kanji. All these things that would be easy to get wrong we¢re trying to get right.

    ¡We¢re not going to make a samurai game that¢s the same as a Japanese team would make. This is an American-themed take on that. We¢re just going to surround ourselves with as much expertise as we can and they help us a lot in making sure we get things right.¢
    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/14/ghost...e-ps4-7630259/
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    ^^ Ùñáßá, íá ìÜèïõìå êáé ëßãï ßóôïñéá M'áñÝóåé ðïõ ôï Ý÷ïõí øÜîåé ôüóï ðïëý. ¼ëá áõôÜ äåß÷íïõí üôé èá åßíáé ðïëý ðñïóåãìÝíï ðáé÷íßäé óå üëïõò ôïõò ôïìåßò.

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    Ôï ó÷üëéï ãéá ôï áí åßíáé åðéôñåðôü íá êÜíïõí Ýíá ôÝôïéï ðáé÷íßäé üíôáò äõôéêïß developers ôï âñßóêù áðáñÜäåêôï êáé ôï âëÝðù êáé óå Üëëåò ðåñéðôþóåéò (óå ôáéíßåò). Ôï áí áðïäþóåéò êÜôé, ð.÷. Ýíá ðïëéôéóìü Þ Ýíáí ïìïöõëüöéëï Þ Ýíá Üôïìï êÜðïéïõ äÝñìáôïò äéáöïñåôéêïý áðü ôï äéêü óïõ åßíáé Üó÷åôï ìå ôï åñþôçìá ðïéá åßíáé ôá äéêÜ óïõ ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêÜ óáí äçìéïõñãïý. Ôï íá êÜíåéò äéÜêñéóç óôïõò êáëëéôÝ÷íåò üóïí áöïñÜ ôï ôé èá êÜíïõí, ìå âÜóç ôá ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêÜ ôïõò, åßíáé ñáôóéóôéêü êáé äçìéïõñãåß ãêÝôï, ôïõ óôõë ïé ìáýñïé èá áó÷ïëïýíôáé ìüíï ìå ìáýñïõò, ïé ëåõêïß ìüíï ìå ëåõêïýò, ïé ãõíáßêåò ìüíï ìå ãõíáßêåò ê.ï.ê.

    Ôï ó÷üëéï ãéá ôï üôé ðñïóðáèïýí íá áðïäþóïõí ðéóôÜ ôïí ðïëéôéóìü ôçò åðï÷Þò ìïõ áñÝóåé. ÃåíéêÜ åßìáé ðéï ðïëý õðÝñ ôçò ðéóôüôçôáò ðáñÜ ôçò åëåõèåñßáò óôéò áðïäüóåéò, áí êáé äåí Ý÷ù èÝìá áí ç åëåõèåñßá äßíåé êÜôé êáëü.

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    Ìçí ìðåñäåõüìáóôå ìå ôéò ëÝîåéò êáé ôïõò ÷áñáêôçñéóìïýò, ãéáôß ç áõèáßñåôç áðüäïóç ÷áñáêôçñéóìþí åßíáé ïõóéáóôéêÜ öáóéóìüò. ËÝîç êëåéäß: áõèáßñåôç.

    Äéáöùíåß êÜðïéïò üôé ÌÏÍÏ ¸ëëçíåò devs ìðïñïýí íá áðïäþóïõí êáëýôåñá Ýíá ðáé÷íßäé âáóéóìÝíï óôç ôùñéíÞ åëëçíéêÞ ðñáãìáôéêüôçôá;

    ¼÷é, êáôçãïñçìáôéêÜ ü÷é. Ìüíï åìåßò ðïõ ôá æïýìå áðü ðñþôï ÷Ýñé, ìðïñïýìå íá áðïôõðþóïõìå ôéò ôùñéíÝò óõíèÞêåò äéáâßùóçò.

    Ôï ãåãïíüò áõôü áðáãïñåýåé êÜðïéïí, ð÷. ÁìåñéêÜíï íá âãÜëåé Ýíá ðáé÷íßäé ðïõ áðïôõðþíåé ôçí ÄÉÊÇ ÔÏÕ ìáôéÜ óôá ôùñéíÜ åëëçíéêÜ äñþìåíá;

    ¼÷é, êáôçãïñçìáôéêÜ ü÷é.

    Ðïëý óùóôÜ ëïéðüí, ï dev äçëþíåé åõèáñóþò êáé åéëéêñéíþò "We¢re not going to make a samurai game that¢s the same as a Japanese team would make. This is an American-themed take on that."

    An American take åßíáé, ü÷é éóôïñéêÞ áðïôýðùóç ôçò ôüôå åðï÷Þò/lore/éäåïëïãßåò/ôñüðïõ æùÞò (ðéóôüôçôá = bye bye).

    Ôßìéá äÞëùóç. Êáé îåêÜèáñç üðùò ôï ÁÆÁ×.

    Áõôü åßíáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé êáé ü÷é éáðùíéêü íôïêéìáíôÝñ.

    Ôé áêñéâþò óõæçôÜìå ëïéðüí;
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    Ìçí ìðåñäåõüìáóôå ìå ôéò ëÝîåéò êáé ôïõò ÷áñáêôçñéóìïýò, ãéáôß ç áõèáßñåôç áðüäïóç ÷áñáêôçñéóìþí åßíáé ïõóéáóôéêÜ öáóéóìüò. ËÝîç êëåéäß: áõèáßñåôç.
    Áí ôï ëåò ãéá ôçí ëÝîç "áðáñÜäåêôï" ðïõ ÷ñçóéìïðïßçóá, íá ðù üôé äåí Þôáí êáèüëïõ áõèáßñåôï, ÷ñçóéìïðïßçóá åðé÷åéñÞìáôá.

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    Äéáöùíåß êÜðïéïò üôé ÌÏÍÏ ¸ëëçíåò devs ìðïñïýí íá áðïäþóïõí êáëýôåñá Ýíá ðáé÷íßäé âáóéóìÝíï óôç ôùñéíÞ åëëçíéêÞ ðñáãìáôéêüôçôá;

    ¼÷é, êáôçãïñçìáôéêÜ ü÷é. Ìüíï åìåßò ðïõ ôá æïýìå áðü ðñþôï ÷Ýñé, ìðïñïýìå íá áðïôõðþóïõìå ôéò ôùñéíÝò óõíèÞêåò äéáâßùóçò.
    Äéáöùíþ. Ôï üôé åßóáé ¸ëëçíáò äåí óçìáßíåé üôé åßíáé ôï ìüíï ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêü óïõ (ìðïñåß íá Ý÷åéò 10 åðé÷åéñÞóåéò ðïõ íá ôá êïíïìÜíå ôñåëÜ êáé íá ìçí óå åðçñåÜæåé ç êñßóç, ìðïñåß íá Ý÷åéò ïéêïãÝíåéá êáé íá áðïëýèçêåò ðñéí Ýíá ìÞíá, ìðïñåß íá ìÝíåéò óôçí ËÝóâï êáé íá âëÝðåéò áõôÞí ôçí ðëåõñÜ ôïõ ðñïóöõãéêïý áðü êïíôÜ, ìðïñåß íá ìÝíåéò óå Ýíá ÷ùñéü ôÝñìá èåïý êáé íá âëÝðåéò ôï ðïëý Ýíá áëëïäáðü êôë).

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    Ðïëý óùóôÜ ëïéðüí, ï dev äçëþíåé åõèáñóþò êáé åéëéêñéíþò "We¢re not going to make a samurai game that¢s the same as a Japanese team would make. This is an American-themed take on that."

    An American take åßíáé, ü÷é éóôïñéêÞ áðïôýðùóç ôçò ôüôå åðï÷Þò/lore/éäåïëïãßåò/ôñüðïõ æùÞò (ðéóôüôçôá = bye bye).

    Ôßìéá äÞëùóç. Êáé îåêÜèáñç üðùò ôï ÁÆÁ×.

    Áõôü åßíáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé êáé ü÷é éáðùíéêü íôïêéìáíôÝñ.

    Ôé áêñéâþò óõæçôÜìå ëïéðüí;
    Ôï èÝìá åßíáé üôé ç Sucker Punch ëÝåé üôé áíáñùôÞèçêå áí ôçò åßíáé åðéôñåðôü íá êÜíåé Ýíá ôÝôïéï ðáé÷íßäé, êé åãþ ëÝù üôé öõóéêÜ êáé åßíáé, ãéá ôïõò ëüãïõò ðïõ áíÝöåñá. Ôá ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêÜ (üðïéá êáé íá åßíáé áõôÜ) äåí åßíáé êôÞìá êáíåíüò ãéá íá ÷ñåéÜæåôáé Üäåéá. ¼óïí áöïñÜ ôçí ðéóôüôçôá, åßíáé Üëëï èÝìá áðü ôï áí åðéôñÝðåôáé íá áðïäþóåéò êÜôé. Áí ðåé ï Barlog ôïõ God of War üôé ðñïóÝëáâáí êáèçãçôÝò ðïõ äéäÜóêïõí ôçí óêáíäéíáâéêÞ ìõèïëïãßá óå ðáíåðéóôÞìéï ãéáôß èÝëïõí íá ìåßíïõí ðéóôïß óôçí ìõèïëïãßá, áõôü öõóéêÜ êáé åßíáé óùóôü íá ôï êÜíåé áí ôï èÝëåé êáé ôï ßäéï ìðïñåß íá êÜíåé êáé ï Óêáíäéíáâüò dev êáé ï Áöñéêáíüò êáé ï ÃéáðùíÝæïò. Áí üìùò ï Barlog ðåé üôé äåí îÝñåé áí åßíáé åðéôñåðôü íá êÜíåé ðáé÷íßäé ìå ôçí óêáíäéíáâéêÞ ìõèïëïãßá, áõôü åßíáé ëÜèïò, ãéáôß äåí åßíáé êôÞìá êáíåíüò ãéá íá ðñÝðåé êÜðïéïò íá ðÜñåé Üäåéá.

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    Ç ëÝîç Þôáí "ãêÝôï".

    Óôçí äåýôåñç ðáñÜãñáöï, áò óõìöùíÞóïõìå üôé äéáöùíïýìå ÷ùñßò êáìßá åëðßäá óõíåííüçóçò óå üëá ôá åðßðåäá.

    Óôçí ôñßôç ðáñÜãñáöï óõìöùíþ.

    ÔÝóðá, áéóèÜíïìáé üôé åßìáóôå ãõíáßêåò óå êïììùôÞñéï êáé êÜíïõìå ôéò áèëßïõ ðåñéå÷ïìÝíïõ óõæçôÞóåéò ôïõò, áíïýóéåò äçëáäÞ.

    ¸íá ðáé÷íéäÜêé åßíáé, äåí åßíáé äéáôñéâÞ.

    Êáé ìÝ÷ñé åêåß. Ìçí ôïõ ðñïóäßäïõìå "áîßá" ðáñáðÜíù áðü áõôÞ ðïõ Ý÷åé: ðáé÷íßäé/Üêé/Üñá, ðÜíôùò åßíáé a fucking game. Ôßðïôá ëéãüôåñï, ôßðïôá ðåñéóóüôåñï.

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    Ç ëÝîç Þôáí "ãêÝôï".

    Óôçí äåýôåñç ðáñÜãñáöï, áò óõìöùíÞóïõìå üôé äéáöùíïýìå ÷ùñßò êáìßá åëðßäá óõíåííüçóçò óå üëá ôá åðßðåäá.

    Óôçí ôñßôç ðáñÜãñáöï óõìöùíþ.

    ÔÝóðá, áéóèÜíïìáé üôé åßìáóôå ãõíáßêåò óå êïììùôÞñéï êáé êÜíïõìå ôéò áèëßïõ ðåñéå÷ïìÝíïõ óõæçôÞóåéò ôïõò, áíïýóéåò äçëáäÞ.

    ¸íá ðáé÷íéäÜêé åßíáé, äåí åßíáé äéáôñéâÞ.

    Êáé ìÝ÷ñé åêåß. Ìçí ôïõ ðñïóäßäïõìå "áîßá" ðáñáðÜíù áðü áõôÞ ðïõ Ý÷åé: ðáé÷íßäé/Üêé/Üñá, ðÜíôùò åßíáé a fucking game. Ôßðïôá ëéãüôåñï, ôßðïôá ðåñéóóüôåñï.
    Ôï ãêÝôï äåí ôï ÷ñçóéìïðïßçóá ìå ôçí êõñéïëåêôéêÞ óçìáóßá, åííïïýóá üôé êÜèå ð.÷. óåîïõáëéêüôçôá èá áó÷ïëåßôáé ìå ôá äéêÜ ôçò ëåò êáé åßìáóôå óôçí ÁìåñéêÞ ðïõ ïé ëåõêïß åß÷áí Üëëá ìÝñç áðü ôïõò ìáýñïõò.

    Áò óõìöùíÞóïõìå.

    Ôï ôé óõæçôïýí ïé ãõíáßêåò äåí ôï ãíùñßæù. Äåí åßíáé ôï èÝìá ôï ðáé÷íßäé áõôü êáè' åáõôü, áí êáé ôï ðáßñíù óïâáñÜ êáé áõôü, ôï èÝìá ìïõ ðéï ðïëý åßíáé áõôÝò ïé äéáêñßóåéò ðïõ ãßíïíôáé, ðïõ áöïý ãßíïíôáé ìå âÜóç öõëåôéêþí êáé ëïéðþí ÷áñáêôçñéóôéêþí åßíáé ñáôóéóôéêÝò äéáêñßóåéò. Êáé ôï âëÝðù êáé áëëïý.

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    Learn humans, and more specifically, human behavior(s).

    Óáöþò õðÞñ÷áí, õðÜñ÷ïõí êáé èá óõíå÷ßóïõí íá õðÜñ÷ïõí äéáêñßóåéò. It's in our nature, as a species.

    Ìüíï óôï Óôáñ Ôñåê (ôï ðáëéü, ü÷é ôçí åìåôßëá Discovery) äåí õðÜñ÷ïõí äéáêñßóåéò, ëïë!

    ÕÃ: Áí äåí ÷ñçóéìïðïßçóåò ôç ëÝîç/÷áñáêôçñéóìü "ãêÝôï" ìå ôçí êõñéïëåêôéêÞ óçìáóßá, óüññõ, äåí Ý÷ù ôçëåðÜèåéá = íá ìðù óôï ìõáëü óïõ êáé íá ôï êáôáëÜâù. Åðßóçò, åßíáé ìÝóá óôçí öýóç/éäåïëïãßá ôùí Humans ïé äéáêñßóåéò óå óõíåéäçôü êáé áóõíåßäçôï åðßðåäï (õðïóõíåßäçôï ü÷é, ãéáôß åßíáé ï ïíåéñéêüò êüóìïò). Ùò fact ôï ëÝù, ü÷é üôé óõìöùíþ Þ äéáöùíþ. ÊïõâÝíôåò ëïéðüí ðïõ äåí Ý÷ïõí êáíÝíá íüçìá, åßíáé ãõíáéêåßåò êïõâÝíôåò êïììùôçñßïõ.

    ÕÃ2: Äåí ôï óôáìáôÜìå êáëýôåñá ãéáôß îåóêßóôçêå ôï èñåíô; ¼ðùò åßðá åßíáé áðëþò Ýíá ðáé÷íßäé ãéá íá ðåñÜóåé êÜðïéïò ôçí þñá ôïõ. Áí íïìßæåé êÜðïéïò (äåí õðïíïþ êáíÝíáí ôþñá) üôé åìðëïõôßæåôáé ðíåõìáôéêÜ ðáßæïíôÜò ôï, ëáíèÜíåé ïéêôñÜ. Áò áíïßîåé âéâëßá, áò óðïõäÜóåé, êïéíþò áò âÜëåé áêáäçìáéêÜ data ìÝóá ôïõ, ü÷é íá áíáìÝíåé Ýíá ðáé÷íßäé íá ðñïóöÝñåé......êÜôé ôï ïðïßï äåí "êáëåßôáé" íá ðñïóöÝñåé. Ôåóðá, äåí âñßóêù êáíÝíá ïõóéáóôéêü íüçìá êáé óå áõôÜ ðïõ åßðá/åßðáìå êáé óôç óõíÝ÷åéÜ ôïõò.

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    ÕÃ: Áí äåí ÷ñçóéìïðïßçóåò ôç ëÝîç/÷áñáêôçñéóìü "ãêÝôï" ìå ôçí êõñéïëåêôéêÞ óçìáóßá, óüññõ, äåí Ý÷ù ôçëåðÜèåéá = íá ìðù óôï ìõáëü óïõ êáé íá ôï êáôáëÜâù.
    Óå áõôü Ý÷åéò äßêéï.

    Ôï õðüëïéðï ðïóô äåí èá ôï ó÷ïëéÜóù ãéáôß üíôùò åßìáóôå off-topic áí ôï óõíå÷ßóïõìå, ïðüôå ôï áöÞíù êé åãþ åäþ.

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    Ðáéäéá ïé áíèñùðïé äåí áíáñùôçèçêáí áí èá ôïõò åðéôñáðåé per se íá öôéáîïõí åíá ðáé÷íéäé óáìïõñáé åíù åéíáé äõôéêïé devs. Áðëá äåí çîåñáí áí èá ìðïñåóïõí íá ðåéóïõí ôïõò åðåíäõôåò íá ôïõò åìðéóôåõèïõí ôï budget ìéáò êáé äåí å÷ïõí êáôáðéáóôåé ìå ôï èåìá óôï ðáñåëèïí êáé äåí óêïðåõïõí ïðùò åéðáí íá öôéáîïõí åíá ðéóôïôáôï óáìïõñáé ðáé÷íéäé.

    Áí ôá åé÷áí ôá ëåöôá áðï ìïíïé ôïõò êáíåíáò äåí ôïõò åìðïäéæåé íá öôéáîïõí ïôé èåëïõí. Êáé íá âáëïõí êáé ìáõñïõò óáìïõñáé ìåóá ïðùò âáëáíå óôçí óåéñá ìáõñï çèïðïéï óôï ñïëï ôïõ Á÷éëëåá. Káíåíáò äåí åìðïäéæåé êáíåíáí ôéðïôá, áìá å÷åéò ôá ëåöôá êáíå ïôé èåò, âãáëôï êáé ïôé ãéíåé (öõóéêá ìå ôéò óõíåðåéåò ðïõ ìðïñåé íá å÷åéò).

    Áí ïìùò äåí ôá å÷åéò ôá ëåöôá, ôïôå ðñåðåé íá ðåéóåéò áõôïí ðïõ èá óôá äùóåé ïôé èá âãáëåé êåñäïò.

    Êáé áðëá ôïõò áíçóõ÷ïõóå ðïõ äåí çôáí óéãïõñïé åáí èá êáôáöåñïõí ôïõò ðåéóïõí ïôé ìéá Sucker Punch ìðïñåé íá âãáëåé åíá ìç 100% ðéóôï óáìïõñáé ðáé÷íéäé óôçí éáðùíéêç ãëùóóá êáé êïõëôïõñá óå AAA budget.

    Ëïãéêç ç áíçóõ÷éá ôïõò êáé óå êáììéá ðåñéðôùóç äåí èåùñù ïôé âáóéæåôáé óå ïðïéáóäçðïôå ìïñöçò ñáôóéóôéêçò áíôéìåôùðéóçò áðï ôïõò åðåíäõôåò.

    Ïé åðåíäõôåò ðáíå ìå ôï ÷ñçìá... êáôáöåñå íá ôïõò ðåéóåéò ïôé ìðïñåéò íá âãáëåéò åêáôïììõñéá áðï åíá ðáé÷íéäé ïðïõ åéóáé ìéá óêáôïõëá ðïõ ðñïóðáèåé íá ìðåé îáíá ìåóá óôïí ðïðï åíïò áíèñùðïõ êáé åéóáé ôæåô.

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    Áêñéâþò: ç áíçóõ÷ßá ôïõò Þôáí business oriented êáé ü÷é éäåïëïãéêÞ. Êáé ìéá ÷áñÜ Ýêáíáí ðïõ áíçóõ÷ïýóáí, üðùò êÜèå ïìÜäá ðïõ êñÝìåôáé áðü ôá @@ åðåíäõôþí.

    ÐÜíôùò áõôü ìå ôçí óêïôïýëá óå reverse path Ý÷åé åíäéáöÝñïí, áí ôá physics + vocals + sound effects åßíáé ñåáëéóôéêÜ. (êëáßù)

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    Ìéëáåé êáé ãéá ôá äýï êáé ôï ëÝåé êéüëáò. Äåí îÝñù áí åííïåß êáé êáôáíáëùôÝò ðÝñá ôùí Éáðþíùí áëëÜ äåí èá ìïõ Ýêáíå êáìßá åíôõðùóç. Ìçí óáò îáöíéÜóåé üôáí äåßôå êáíÝíá thread ðïõ èá ìéëÜåé ãéá "cultural appropriation" ôçò éáðùíéêÞò éóôïñßáò áðü äõôéêïýò devs.

    And the second part was are we gonna be allowed to build this? Is a Western team… does this make sense? Are people gonna feel like we should be the ones to make this game? And again it was a relief when both our partners at Sony – the people that we¢ve worked with since forever – and also the Japanese consumers were open to the idea of a Western developer working on a game like this. And we take that responsibility very seriously.¢
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    Áöïý ôï ãñÜöù ëÝù "íá ôï øÜîù ëßãï". Ôóáê ìðáì.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1006374870505029632
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    ^^Ôï japanese consumers ôï ëååé ðñïöáíùò áðï ôçí åðåíäõôéêç óêïðéá. Äåí åêáíáí äçëáäç äçìïóêïðçóç óôï ãéáðùíåæéêï êïéíï, íá äïõí áí åéíáé äéáôåèéìåíïé íá ðáéîïõí åíá ôåôïéï ðáé÷íéäé. Ìå âáóç áõôá ðïõ áêïõäáí ïé åðåíäõôåò, ðåéóôéêáí ïôé åéíáé åíá ðáé÷íéäé ðïõ èá ðïõëçóåé êáé óå åõñùðç êáé óå áìåñéêç êáé óå éáðùíéá.

    ÕÃ: Ôï tweet äåí ôï âëåðù Ëåùíéäá ( ôï å÷ïõí êëåéäùìåíï óôï ãñáöåéï)

    YÃ2: Ôï åéäá áðï ôï êéíçôï êáé áí äåí êáíù ëáèïò íïìéæù ïôé ôï åëáâåò ëáèïò áõôï ðïõ ëååé ï óõãêåêñéìåíïò áóéáôçò óôï tweet. Áõôï ðïõ êáíåé åéíáé ïôé êñáæåé êáôé ëåõêïõò SJW ðïõ âãçêáí êáé åêñáîáí ôçí ðáñïõóéáóç ôçò Óïíõ ðïõ åâãáëå åíáí ìç áóéáôç íá ðáéîåé ãéáðùíåæéêï öëáïõôï (or whatever it is) óôçí ðáñïõóéáóç ôïõ ðáé÷íéäéïõ åðéêáëïõìåíïé cultural appropriation áçäéåò. Êáé âãçêå êáé åéðå ïôé áõôá åéíáé ÷áæïìáñåò êáé ïôé äåí ÷ñåéáæåôáé ï éáðùíéêïò ëáïò ôïí ïðïéïíäçðïôå SJW íá âãåé êáé íá ìéëáåé ãéá ðáñôç ôïõ ëåò êáé åéíáé êáôáðéåóìåíïò ëáïò.

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    Ðåñß lip sync

    https://twitter.com/yosp/status/1007305162011041792?s=21


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon_DiZ View Post
    Ðåñß lip sync

    https://twitter.com/yosp/status/1007305162011041792?s=21


    Êáëï ôï íåï ãéá ôï lip sync. Áí ôï âåëôéùóïõí (êé áò ìçí åéíáé ôåëåéï) åéíáé ó÷åäïí âåâáéï ïôé èá ôï ðáéîù óôá éáðùíéêá! Ôáéñéáæåé ðïëõ óôçí áôìïóöáéñá. Áðëá ôo lip sync åéíáé áðáñáéôçôï íá âåëôéùèåé ãéáôé ìå ôåôïéï ïðôéêï ôïìåá óïõ óðáåé ôï immersion.

    Ãéá ôï õóôåñïãñáöï, åéëéêñéíá èåùñù ïôé äåí ðñïêåéôáé íá áó÷ïëçèïõí éäéáéôåñùò ìå ôåôïéåò öáíáôéêåò éäåïëïãéåò/áíôéëçøåéò. Ãéáôé áí ôï êáëïóêåöôåéò õðï áõôçí ôçí óêïðéá ïôé êáé íá öôéáîïõí, ðáíôá èá õðáñ÷åé êáðïéïò/êáðïéïé ïé ïðïéïé èá å÷ïõí íá ðïõí ðïëëá êïõöá.

    Êáé ìçí íïìéæåéò ïôé ïé éäéïé äõôéêïé öéëåëåõèåñïé ÷ñçóôåò äåí êñáæïõí éáðùíéêá ðáé÷íéäéá éáðùíéêçò ðñïåëåõóåùò. Åêåé âáóéêá åéíáé áêïìá ÷åéñïôåñá ìéáò êáé ç éáðùíéêç êïõëôïõñá áöçíåé ðïëõ õëéêï óôï ôñáðåæé ïóïí áöïñá óôïí ó÷åäéáóìï ôùí ãõíáéêåéùí çñùùí êáé ôïóá áëëá. Âáóéêá áõôïé êñáæïõí ôá ðáíôá êáé âñéóêïõí ðáíôá ìéá áöïñìç. Äåí åéíáé íá ôïõò ðáéñíåéò óôá óïâáñá. Êáé ÷áñçêá ðïëõ ìå ôïí ôñïðï ðïõ áðáíôçóå ï ãéáðùíåæïò ôõðïò óôï twiter.

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