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    Ανακοινωθηκε και επισημα (μετα απο πολλες φημες) η νεα κονσολα της Microsoft, το XBOX ONE-Project Scorpio (κωδικη ονομασια). Κυκλοφορει τελος του 2017.





    • 8 Cores
    • 6 TFlops
    • 320GB/s memory bandwidth
    • 4K/VR Gaming


    Spec Analysis: Xbox Project Scorpio (Digital Foundry)

    PS4 PS4 NEO Xbox One Project Scorpio
    CPU Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.1GHz Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.75GHz Eight cores, speculation: up-clocked Jaguar or equivalent
    GPU 18 Radeon GCN compute units at 800MHz 36 improved GCN compute units at 911MHz 12 GCN compute units at 853MHz Speculation: 56/60 GCN compute units at 800-850MHz
    Memory 8GB GDDR5 at 176GB/s 8GB GDDR5 at 218GB/s 8GB DDR3 at 68GB/s and 32MB ESRAM at max 218GB/s Over 320GB/s bandwidth - speculation: 12GB of GDDR5

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    Wired: Phil Spencer Interview (Scorpio and VR)

    Devs are the reason for the specs
    “When we started looking at Scorpio,” he says, “we asked the partners, ‘in order to build a true high-fidelity 4K game, what capabilities do you need?’ That’s what we designed Scorpio around. It’s kind of like a [GeForce GTX] 980 card on the PC. I get the capability that I need as a developer to deliver a high-fidelity 4K game. ”
    “When we went out and talked to VR developers,” Spencer says, “the capability and the hardware spec that they need to deliver a console-like experience to VR was a requirement of 6 teraflops, which clearly, today’s consoles—PlayStation 4 and Xbox One—don’t have.”
    Don't expect a cell-phone model for Xbox
    “Consumer expectation is that, if you wanted to, you could go buy a new cell phone every year. I don’t want to get into that mode with a console,” Spencer says. “I see the next inflection point as 4K, and I want to make sure we have a console there to support that, and Scorpio will do that. We’re not on a hardware tick-tock that says I need to put out a console every two years or every one year to get people to upgrade. That’s not the console model.”
    Microsoft is not working on their own VR set.
    “Right now we are not focused on a first-party VR hardware device,” he says. He didn’t call out any particular headset that might plug into Scorpio, but noted that Microsoft hoped to “enable many hardware manufacturers to make progress there
    Backwards compatibility and BC OG Xbox
    “Consoles created generations that effectively take your library back to zero; we’re trying to think beyond generations and say, how do you bring all the content that you purchased and love from this generation and move it forward with you?” he says. Microsoft has been working hard to make more and more Xbox 360 games backward compatible with Xbox One — Spencer calls out the 360-exclusive Japanese role-playing games Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey as his most-wanted games, and says the team is working on getting them running on Xbox One as we speak — and those backward compatible games, too, will work on Scorpio.
    “I’ve talked about a desire to do the original Xbox backward compatibility,” he says—he’s wearing a shirt with the original Bill Gates-era Xbox logo on it. “We’re not working on that right now, but it’s theoretically very possible. On the CPU side, we could figure it out. I think people should have access to the games that they love,”
    In regards to VR, Phil says that innovation is going to be on PC and devs should focus on that. Their plan is to pick the best ones and bring them to console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis1979 View Post
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    Giannis1979 διαφωνω.

    Τα pixels δεν κανουν την διαφορα αλλα το περιεχομενο και το τι θα δειξει η κονσολα οπως σωστα λες. Αυτο που θα δειξει ειναι...ουτε καν 4K παιχνιδια ποιοτητας one.
    Oχι και Next gen ρε συ...
    1080i εβγαζε και το ps2. δεν λεει τιποτα η αναλυση οσο το τι σου δινουν μεσα σε αυτη την αναλυση.
    Θα σου δωσουν διαφορα uncharted 3 με 4 στο NEO ή αντιστοιχα στο scorpio?
    Ουτε την μιση, γιατι one games θα παιζει και ps4 games το αλλο.

    αν ηταν τοσο απλο να δινουν με μαγικο ραβδακι Next gen κονσολες καθε 3 χρονια που θα ηταν οσο ισχυρες ηταν αυτες που αλλαζουν ανα 6 χρονια.... θα ηταν ολα ομορφα. Μιλαω ξαναλεω με την λογικη του Next gen που γνωριζουμε μεχρι σημερα.


    Και το NEO και το scorpio λογικα θα ειναι τα χειροτερα upgrade κονσολων ολων των εποχων κουβαλωντας τα κακα του pc gaming.
    Μηχανηματα που κανεις δεν θα δουλεψει στο 100% για αυτα παρα μονο αν αποσυρθουν τα παλιοτερα.

    Μιλαμε για ultra fail...

    Πριν λιγες μερες ελεγες οτι κανεις πλεον δεν ειναι αρνητικος για το ΝΕΟ στο thread του. Μηπως εσυ δεν εισαι καθολου με το scorpio τελικα?
    Γιατι βλεπω ξαφνικα στροφη και ολο θετικα για το upgrade
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDS View Post
    Giannis1979 διαφωνω.

    Τα pixels δεν κανουν την διαφορα αλλα το περιεχομενο και το τι θα δειξει η κονσολα οπως σωστα λες. Αυτο που θα δειξει ειναι...ουτε καν 4K παιχνιδια ποιοτητας one.
    Oχι και Next gen ρε συ...
    1080i εβγαζε και το ps2. δεν λεει τιποτα η αναλυση οσο το τι σου δινουν μεσα σε αυτη την αναλυση.
    Θα σου δωσουν διαφορα uncharted 3 με 4 στο NEO ή αντιστοιχα στο scorpio?
    Ουτε την μιση, γιατι one games θα παιζει και ps4 games το αλλο.

    αν ηταν τοσο απλο να δινουν με μαγικο ραβδακι Next gen κονσολες καθε 3 χρονια που θα ηταν οσο ισχυρες ηταν αυτες που αλλαζουν ανα 6 χρονια.... θα ηταν ολα ομορφα. Μιλαω ξαναλεω με την λογικη του Next gen που γνωριζουμε μεχρι σημερα.


    Και το NEO και το scorpio λογικα θα ειναι τα χειροτερα upgrade κονσολων ολων των εποχων κουβαλωντας τα κακα του pc gaming.
    Μηχανηματα που κανεις δεν θα δουλεψει στο 100% για αυτα παρα μονο αν αποσυρθουν τα παλιοτερα.

    Μιλαμε για ultra fail...

    Πριν λιγες μερες ελεγες οτι κανεις πλεον δεν ειναι αρνητικος για το ΝΕΟ στο thread του. Μηπως εσυ δεν εισαι καθολου με το scorpio τελικα?
    Γιατι βλεπω ξαφνικα στροφη και ολο θετικα για το upgrade
    Μιλαμε για upgrade σε 1,5 χρονο απο τωρα και οχι για φέτος τον Αύγουστο που ηταν το πρόσφατο leak για το Neo.

    Επισης εχεις αδικο σε ολα οσα αναφερεις και θα το διαπιστώσεις και μονος σου οταν ερθει η ωρα.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis1979 View Post
    Επισης εχεις αδικο σε ολα οσα αναφερεις και θα το διαπιστώσεις και μονος σου οταν ερθει η ωρα.
    Δεν γινεται να εχω αδικο σε facts.

    Μιλας για next gen συστημα(scorpio) οκ? Oποτε υπαρχει και καποιο last gen ok? Kαι ονομαζεται one.

    Τα παιχνιδια του Οne θα παιζει το scorpio οποτε και 30 TFlops να ειναι, παλι last gen υλικο σε μεγαλυτερες αναλυσεις θα βλεπουμε στο νεο xbox.
    Aκομα και αν υποθεσουμε οτι τεχνικα υπαρχει next gen upgrade(για μενα δεν υπαρχει) το One θα περιοριζει το scorpio σε αυτη τη γενια.

    Εκτος αν η MS παρατησει εντελως το One και επικεντρωθει μονο στο scorpio .Tοτε εχουμε αλλα δεδομενα ομως και ανοιγει διαφορετικη κουβεντα.
    Με τα σημερινα δεδομενα το scorpio ειναι απλα ενα καλογυαλισμενο ONE οσα TFs και να βαλει πανω. Θα ειναι μια remastered μηχανη αν θες.
    Eιναι σαν να εχεις το ps4 και να τρεχει ΜΟΝΟ ps3 games σε μεγαλυτερες αναλυσεις και fps. Αυτο δεν θα ηταν next gen.
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    Xbox boss Phil Spencer: the big interview

    Phil Spencer: What TV do you have?

    A standard 1080p TV.


    Phil Spencer: Then you should buy this box, because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you. Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see. Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you.

    But I would say, price point is important, compatibility is critically important. We looked at 4K, talked to creators, you saw Todd Howard in our video, Patrick Soderlund from EA in our video, talked to creators about the work they were doing on PC in order to hit a true 4K gaming experience, and six teraflops is what we needed to go hit, so we designed for that.

    For us in the industry, it's easy to think that most power is always the thing that wins. If you look at last gen, what won? The Wii won. The Wii sold more than we did on Xbox 360 and the PS3, and it wasn't the most powerful console out there. Price is critically important. Wii was a good price and it had a great experience.

    But I'll say, having an Xbox One at $299 is going to be really important for us. It's the only $299 console on the market right now, and it supports 4K video with the S, that's going to be a really good selling feature for us, and we've got our biggest lineup of games coming this year in 2016.

    So, Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper View Post

    But but but... what about downsampling??
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    Είναι μάλλον η φάση που αρχίζουν και μπλέκουν τα μπούτια τους...

    Διαβάστε την όλη τη συνέντευξη καλύτερα.
    Χbox boss Phil Spencer: the big interview

    We could have done a new update this year. We actually looked at it. We went all the way to, we had the spec in front of us, should we ship something that's less than Scorpio this year, but in truth you can't do a true 4K console this year. And I just didn't think anything between what is effectively a 1080p console and the 4K console, like, from a consumer television standpoint there's nothing in the middle. So let's go focus on 4K and next year was the right year to do that.
    "For you and I, we usually think about generations in terms of what games will it play?" Spencer told Eurogamer. "This thing will play Ryse: Son of Rome, a launch game for your Xbox One. And we'll have launch Scorpio games as well that are playable on an Xbox One, Xbox One S and Scorpio and look great on all three of them."

    The Xbox boss also reiterated that "there won't be Scorpio exclusive console games. Absolutely not."
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    Αλλος το ειπε

    -So it sounds like there won't be any games that would ship that would be Scorpio only right?

    -I don't know about that. We'll see. It's up to the game development community.
    Μεχρι να βγει τελος του 2017, πολλα θα πουν.

    Εχουν το ONE, εχουν το ONE S με λιγο boost σε CPU+GPU για το HDR και θα εχουν και το Scorpio.

    Αντε να βγαλεις παιχνιδι μετα.

    Edit:

    We've got tens of millions of people who have Xbox Ones. Developers are gonna see that and, frankly, as the platform holder we're going to make sure games come out and support Xbox One.
    Στην ουσια το ιδιο που εχει πει και η Sony για το NEO. Δεν τους συμφερει (MS+Sony) να πουν κατι αλλο, τωρα.

    Για μετα βλεπουμε.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper View Post
    Αλλος το ειπε
    are you sure? γιατι οι δηλωσεις αλλαζουν αναλογα μαλλον με την ωρα που ρωτας κατι τον Spencer.

    Speaking in the video (below), Spencer explained that Scorpio is a "6 teraflop gaming machine, which will be a great gaming machine for true 4K gaming, giving you a native 4K frame buffer so you can see games in all their beauty.

    "Or," he continued, "if developers want to use those 6 teraflops in other ways they're free to do that."

    Spencer's comments suggest that developers may be able to use Scorpio's additional power to deliver more visually impressive games at a lower resolution, rather than be forced to render at native 4K.

    However, they seem to conflict with comments made by Spencer earlier today, where he said that players still using a 1080p TV are "not going to see" any benefit from upgrading to Scorpio. If developers can use the additional power to deliver more impressive graphics - albeit at the cost of a native 4K resolution - clearly that won't be the case.



    http://www.videogamer.com/news/devel...s_spencer.html


    Βασικα πιστευω οτι αρχιζουν και συνειδητοποιουν τι μαλακια εκαναν που ανακοινωσαν το Scorpio 1.5 χρονο πριν την κυκλοφορια.

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    Αααααχ.. this is gonna be fun. Και εγώ αυτό ήρθα να βάλω..
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    Μια εικονα 1000 λεξεις


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    Παιδιά, σας παρακαλώ μην μιλάτε έτσι για τον Όσιο Φίλιππο τον Σπένσορα, τον σωτήρα του gaming που θα μας πάει μπροστά

    Βλέπω η MS συνεχίζει τα μπερδεμένα μηνύματα μέχρι να πετύχει αυτό που θέλει να ακούσει ο κόσμος...

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    Φοβού τους Δαναούς και δώρα φέροντας...

    Κάπως έτσι έχει καταλήξει ο Φιλήμων Σπενσερόπουλος.

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    Φιλήμων .....
    Κλαιωωωωω

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    Κοίτα να δεις με την μαλακία της MS δεν ξέρω που να ποστάρω.

    Θέλω να παραθέσω μερικές σκέψεις / σχόλια, λίαν ανησυχητικά για την πορεία του Xbox brand..........αλλά που να τα ποστάρω; Στο θρεντ της Ε3, γιατί από την παρουσίαση της MS προκύπτουν όλα; Στο θρεντ του Xbox One; Στο θρεντ Xbox Scoprio;

    Να σε χέσω ρε MS. Να σε χέσω.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefteris_X View Post
    Κοίτα να δεις με την μαλακία της MS δεν ξέρω που να ποστάρω.

    Θέλω να παραθέσω μερικές σκέψεις / σχόλια, λίαν ανησυχητικά για την πορεία του Xbox brand..........αλλά που να τα ποστάρω; Στο θρεντ της Ε3, γιατί από την παρουσίαση της MS προκύπτουν όλα; Στο θρεντ του Xbox One; Στο θρεντ Xbox Scoprio;

    Να σε χέσω ρε MS. Να σε χέσω.
    Διάλεξε ένα και κάντο copy-paste στα άλλα 2. Τόσο απλά
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    Kαι το Halo 6 πάει πιθανοτατα για xbox/pc

    Phil Spencer makes it clear: first-party Microsoft games are coming to Windows.

    Halo 5's Forge level creation tool is coming to PC for free, but it's unlikely that Halo 5 itself will follow. The next Halo, however—which we'll call Halo 6—is all but officially confirmed for Windows 10. It's happening.

    "The reason somebody wants to go buy an Xbox—or I’ll just say a game console, yes I’d love if they bought an Xbox—is they want to sit 10 feet from their television screen with a controller in their lap looking at a television playing a videogame," said Spencer. "It’s a different experience from playing on PC. I’m not saying it’s better or worse, it’s just different. Halo 5 absolutely could be played on a PC. There’s nothing about that gameplay mechanic that doesn’t work."

    So why no Halo 5 on PC? Spencer says that Microsoft and 343 Industries are looking to the future. "Honestly the answer with Halo 5 is, I can go take last year’s game, rework it to go on PC, or I can have 343 look forward in what they’re going to go do," said Spencer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBOSS View Post
    Kαι το Halo 6 πάει πιθανοτατα για xbox/pc

    Phil Spencer makes it clear: first-party Microsoft games are coming to Windows.

    Halo 5's Forge level creation tool is coming to PC for free, but it's unlikely that Halo 5 itself will follow. The next Halo, however—which we'll call Halo 6—is all but officially confirmed for Windows 10. It's happening.

    "The reason somebody wants to go buy an Xbox—or I’ll just say a game console, yes I’d love if they bought an Xbox—is they want to sit 10 feet from their television screen with a controller in their lap looking at a television playing a videogame," said Spencer. "It’s a different experience from playing on PC. I’m not saying it’s better or worse, it’s just different. Halo 5 absolutely could be played on a PC. There’s nothing about that gameplay mechanic that doesn’t work."

    So why no Halo 5 on PC? Spencer says that Microsoft and 343 Industries are looking to the future. "Honestly the answer with Halo 5 is, I can go take last year’s game, rework it to go on PC, or I can have 343 look forward in what they’re going to go do," said Spencer.

    http://www.pcgamer.com/halo-6-will-r...on-windows-10/
    Εγώ απ'ότι κατάλαβα από την PC της MS είναι ότι πλέον δεν θα υπάρχουν Xbox exclusives. Θα έχουμε Xbox και Windows 10.
    Για αυτό έβαλε και όλα αυτά τα features (cross-buy, cross-save)
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