thread: ÌéêñÜ Ã*åá êáé rumors ãéá PS4 all in one Thread

  1. #41
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    Åãù âáóéêá äéáâáóá áõôï å÷èåò êáé ãé áõôï åãñáøá ïôé åãñáøá :/

    Crytek: It's impossible for next-gen consoles to match the power of gaming PCs

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-of-gaming-pcs
    It's impossible to package $2000-3000 into a mainstream, let's say $500 console

    "If you look at PC gaming, that has changed also," he said. "The whole modular way you can design a PC today, with two, three or four graphics cards in them, and you can water cool them and overclock to infinity, that didn't exist even six or seven years ago. You just bought one or maybe two graphics cards and then you were super enthusiastic.



    "It's very difficult to compete with that. People have these massive nuclear power plants standing in their rooms that will run your games really fast. It's hard to compete with."
    ÅÃ*ôáîåé ï ôõðïò óõãêñéÃ*åé ìçëá ìå ìðáÃ*áÃ*åò. Öõóéêá èá ÷áÃ*åé ðáÃ*ôá ç êïÃ*óïëá áðï åÃ*á PC 2000 åõñù ìå 4 êáñôåò ãñáöéêùÃ*.

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    Ìå PC áñ÷éôåêôïÃ*éêÞ êáôÜ âÜóç (áëëÜ åìðëïõôéóìÝÃ*ç ìå "special sauce") äåÃ* èá ôïõò ðÜñåé ðïëý êáéñü Ã*á ôéò åêìåôáëëåõôïýÃ* óôï Ýðáêñï.

    ÈõìÜìáé óå ìéá óõÃ*ÝÃ*ôåõîç ôçò ND ðñüóöáôá åß÷å ðåé ï Christophe Balestra üôé óôçÃ* ìåôÜâáóç PS2 -> PS3 ÝêáÃ*áÃ* áñêåôÜ ëÜèç, ôá ïðïßá äåÃ* èá åðáÃ*áëçöèïýÃ* óôï ìÝëëïÃ*.

    Ãéá ðáñÜäåéãìá, óôï Jak åß÷áÃ* custom ãëþóóá ðñïãñáììáôéóìïý (GOAL) êáé äéÜöïñá Üëëá custom dev tools êáé ôá âñÞêáÃ* óêïýñá óôï PS3... Ýðñåðå Ã*á ìåôáâïýÃ* óå ðéï óõìâáôéêÝò ãëþóóåò (C/C++), Ã*á äáìÜóïõÃ* ôïÃ* Cell (assembly) êáé Ã*á ìÜèïõÃ* Ã*á äïõëåýïõÃ* ôá GPU shaders (ÜãÃ*ùóôç ÝÃ*Ã*ïéá óôï PS2).

    Óôï PS4 èá ðñÝðåé Ã*á óõÃ*çèßóïõÃ* ôï GPGPU ìïÃ*ôÝëï ðñïãñáììáôéóìïý, ôï ïðïßï üìùò åßÃ*áé ðïëý êïÃ*ôÜ óôçÃ* öéëïóïößá ðñïãñáììáôéóìïý ôïõ Cell.

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    Ãéá ôï ðáñáðáÃ*ù èåìá(crytec) .Íá èõìéóù ïôé ôï crysis 3 ôïõ 2004-5 çôáÃ* ôï HL2.
    ÏôáÃ* âãçêå 2 ÷ñïÃ*éá ìåôá óôéò ôïôå next-gen êïÃ*óïëåò(ps360) ìå ôï orange box ,ðáñ'ïëï ðïõ çôáÃ* êáéÃ*ïõñéåò áõôåò ïé êïÃ*óïëåò ôï åôñå÷áÃ* ÷åéñïôåñá áðï pc.
    ÇôáÃ* ôá ãñáöéêá ôïõ HL2 ôá êáëõôåñá ðïõ åéäáìå óå áõôåò ôéò êïÃ*óïëåò?ÏÕÔÅ ÊÁÍ.

    Ç crytec ëïéðïÃ* áò êïéôáîåé Ã*á êáÃ*åé ðñùôá ôï crysis 3 ôï êáëõôåñï ïðôéêá game ôïõ ps3 êáé ìåôá áò êáÃ*åé ïôé ó÷ïëéï ãïõóôáñåé.Ðñïò ôï ðáñïÃ* ç Beta óõÃ*áãùÃ*éæåôáé ôá ÷åéñïôåñá óå ãñáöéêá ðáé÷Ã*éäéá ôïõ Ps3.

    Ìå ëéãá ëïãéá åãù ìåôáöñáóù áõôï ðïõ õðïóôçñéæïõÃ* ùò åîçò.
    ''ÄåÃ* èá ìðïñåóïõìå êáé ðáëé Ã*á ðáñïõìå áðï ôéò êïÃ*óïëåò ôï ìåãéóôï ôùÃ* äõÃ*áôïôçôùÃ* ôïõò.Óôï pc ðïõ õðáñ÷åé ç áðåñéïñéóôç äõÃ*áìç, èá âãáëïõìå öïâåñá ãñáöéêá, åéìáóôå õðåñãáìáôïé''.

    Ç áðïøç ìïõ åéÃ*áé ïôé ÁÍ å÷ïõìå ìå ôï ps4 ôï áëìá ðïõ å÷ïõìå ôïóá ÷ñïÃ*éá áðï ãåÃ*éá óå ãåÃ*éá.Ôï killzone4 îåñù ãù èá óõÃ*ôñéøåé ôï crysis3 pc.
    Oðùò ôï killzone2 äåÃ* óõãêñéÃ*åôáé ìå ôï HL2 óôïÃ* ïðôéêï ôïìåá.
    Áðï êåé êáé ðåñá õðáñ÷åé áõôï ôï ÁÍ.
    ÕðïìïÃ*ç 1 ìåñá.
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    ^^ Káëá äåÃ* Ã*ïìéæù Ã*á ðáåé åôóé ãéáôé áÃ* äåÃ* êáÃ*ù ëáèïò ôï ðñùôï crysis âãçêå ïôáÃ* åé÷å âãåé ôï PS3 êáé åÃ*ôáîåé åéÃ*áé ëéãï áäéêï Ã*á óõãêñéÃ*ïõìå ôï HL2 ìå ôï KZ2 ðïõ âãçêå ôï 2009, 4 ÷ñïÃ*éá ìåôá.

    Ôï ÊÆ4 èá âãåé áÃ*ôå óå 2 ÷ñïÃ*éá (êáé ðïëëá ðñåðåé Ã*á ëåù) áðï ôùñá ðïõ êõêëïöïñåé ôï Crysis 3 ïðïôå óå êáììéá ðåñéðôùóç äåÃ* ðåñéìåÃ*ù Ã*á äù ìéá äéáöïñá áÃ*áëïãç ìå áõôçÃ* HL2-KZ2.

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    Áõôïò ôçò crytec ìéëáåé ãéá hardware, ïðïôå äåÃ* å÷åé êáìéá áðïëõôùò óçìáóéá ôï ðïôå âãçêå ôï k2.Áðï ôå÷Ã*ïëïãéá ôïõ 2005 âãçêå.
    Aëëá áÃ* äåÃ* èåò Killzone2 äåò Gears of war ,ðïõ ïôáÃ* êõêëïöïñçóå çôáÃ* áÃ*ùôåñï áðï ïôéäçðïôå õðçñ÷å óôï pc.

    ÁÃ* ç Ã*åá ãåÃ*éá äåÃ* îåðåñáóåé ôï crysis3 ,ôïôå äåÃ* åéÃ*áé Ã*åá ãåÃ*éá ãéá ìåÃ*á êáé èá åéÃ*áé ç ÷åéñoôåñç ìåôáâáóç ever.Ìéëáìå ãéá ðáé÷Ã*éäé ðïõ ôñå÷åé óå ps3 åôóé?Âáæåéò åéêïÃ*åò äéðëá äéðëá ìå pc version êáé äåÃ* âëåðåéò ôñïìáêôéêç äéáöïñá ãåÃ*éáò.
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    ^^ Áðëá óïõ èõìéæù ïôé ôï Crysis âãçêå ôï 2007, ðñéÃ* ôï gears êáé åðé ôçò ïõóéáò êáÃ*åÃ*á ðáé÷Ã*éäé ôùÃ* êïÃ*óïëùÃ* äåÃ* åâãáëå ôï áðïôåëåóìá ôïõ crysis (óôá öïõë ãñáöéêá ôïõ).

    Êáëá ïôé ïé ôõðïé óôçÃ* Crytek åéÃ*áé êïëëçìåÃ*ïé êáé áðëá ðåôáÃ*å êùäéêá ÷ùñéò Ã*á îåøá÷Ã*éæïõÃ* ôï hardware ðïõ å÷ïõÃ* ìðñïóôá ôïõò éó÷õåé, äåÃ* äéáöùÃ*ù êáÃ*. Êáé óéãïõñá èá äïõìå ðáé÷Ã*éäéá åöáìéëëá/êáëõôåñá áðï ôï crysis 3 óôéò åðïìåÃ*åò êïÃ*óïëåò áëëá èá åéÃ*áé áðï ëéãïõò êáé êáëïõò ðïõ îåñïõÃ* ðùò Ã*á îåæïõìéóïõÃ* åÃ*á ìç÷áÃ*çìá êáé ï÷é áðëá Ã*á ðåôáÃ*å ïôé êùäéêá ôïõò êáôåâåé êáé ïðïéïò ôï óçêùÃ*åé êáëùò, ïðïéïò ï÷é ðñïâëçìá ôïõ.

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    ^^ Áðëá óïõ èõìéæù ïôé ôï Crysis âãçêå ôï 2007, ðñéÃ* ôï gears
    November 7, 2006
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_of_War

    EÃ*áÃ* ÷ñïÃ*ï ðñéÃ*.

    êáé åðé ôçò ïõóéáò êáÃ*åÃ*á ðáé÷Ã*éäé ôùÃ* êïÃ*óïëùÃ* äåÃ* åâãáëå ôï áðïôåëåóìá ôïõ crysis (óôá öïõë ãñáöéêá ôïõ).
    Ï÷é áëëá çôáÃ* ðáé÷Ã*éäé ôçò ãåÃ*éáò êáé çôáÃ* ôï áÃ*ùôåñï ïÃ*ôùò ïðôéêá.ÅéÃ*áé óáÃ* Ã*á õðïóôçñéæïõìå ïôé ôï crysis1(ãéáôé äåÃ* å÷åé ôñåëç äéáöïñá áðï ôï 3) èá åéÃ*áé ôï êáëõôåñï êáé óôçÃ* åðïìåÃ*ç ãåÃ*éá...
    Õðåñâïëéêï ìïõ öáéÃ*åôáé.Ôïõëá÷éóôïÃ* õðåñâïëéêï.
    ÌçÃ* îå÷Ã*áìå åðéóçò ïôé åêáÃ*áÃ* êáôé ðïëõ ìðñïóôá áðï ôçÃ* åðï÷ç ðïõ èá åôñå÷å ìïÃ*ï õðåñôïõìðáÃ*ï pc êáé áÃ* ôï 2007.
    Äõóêïëá èá åðé÷åéñçóïõÃ* êáôé áÃ*áëïãï.Íïìéæù ïôé áõôåò ïé åðï÷åò å÷ïõÃ* ðåñáóåé ãéá ôïõò ÷-ø ëïãïõò.

    Êáëá ïôé ïé ôõðïé óôçÃ* Crytek åéÃ*áé êïëëçìåÃ*ïé êáé áðëá ðåôáÃ*å êùäéêá ÷ùñéò Ã*á îåøá÷Ã*éæïõÃ* ôï hardware ðïõ å÷ïõÃ* ìðñïóôá ôïõò éó÷õåé, äåÃ* äéáöùÃ*ù êáÃ*. Êáé óéãïõñá èá äïõìå ðáé÷Ã*éäéá åöáìéëëá/êáëõôåñá áðï ôï crysis 3 óôéò åðïìåÃ*åò êïÃ*óïëåò áëëá èá åéÃ*áé áðï ëéãïõò êáé êáëïõò ðïõ îåñïõÃ* ðùò Ã*á îåæïõìéóïõÃ* åÃ*á ìç÷áÃ*çìá êáé ï÷é áðëá Ã*á ðåôáÃ*å ïôé êùäéêá ôïõò êáôåâåé êáé ïðïéïò ôï óçêùÃ*åé êáëùò, ïðïéïò ï÷é ðñïâëçìá ôïõ.
    Aõôï.
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    Wow ôï Gears of War çôáÃ* ôïõ 2006? Ðù êáëá åãù Ã*ïìéæá ïôé çôáÃ* ôïõ 2007 ðáé÷Ã*éäé...

    ÐáÃ*ôùò ôï Crysis 3 åéÃ*áé åðéóçìùò Ã*ïìéæù ôï ðñùôï "next gen game". Êáé äéêáéïëïãçìåÃ*á èá åëåãá (óôï PC êáé Ã*áé å÷åé ôñåëç äéáöïñá, ìçÃ* êïéôáò ôá crysis 1 ðïõ ôñå÷ïõÃ* ìå ôá ôïóá mods ðïõ å÷ïõÃ* âãåé). Ãé áõôï åëåãá ïôé åéÃ*áé ôï benchmark êáé åêáÃ*á ôçÃ* óõãêñéóç.

  9. #49

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    ÐñïóùðéêÜ èá ðñïôéìïýóá Ã*á ðëçñþóù 1 öïñÜ óôá 7 ÷ñüÃ*éá 600 åõñþ êáé Ã*á Ý÷åé ð.÷. 7990m ,äõÃ*áôÞ cpu êáé üóï ìåãáëýôåñç ram ãßÃ*åôáé ðáñá 450 åõñþ ãéá 7660, ìéêñÞ ram êôë.
    +1000
    Some cars take your breath away. Only one gives it back.

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    Áõôïò ôçò crytec ìéëáåé ãéá hardware, ïðïôå äåÃ* å÷åé êáìéá áðïëõôùò óçìáóéá ôï ðïôå âãçêå ôï k2.Áðï ôå÷Ã*ïëïãéá ôïõ 2005 âãçêå.
    Aëëá áÃ* äåÃ* èåò Killzone2 äåò Gears of war ,ðïõ ïôáÃ* êõêëïöïñçóå çôáÃ* áÃ*ùôåñï áðï ïôéäçðïôå õðçñ÷å óôï pc.

    ÁÃ* ç Ã*åá ãåÃ*éá äåÃ* îåðåñáóåé ôï crysis3 ,ôïôå äåÃ* åéÃ*áé Ã*åá ãåÃ*éá ãéá ìåÃ*á êáé èá åéÃ*áé ç ÷åéñoôåñç ìåôáâáóç ever.Ìéëáìå ãéá ðáé÷Ã*éäé ðïõ ôñå÷åé óå ps3 åôóé?Âáæåéò åéêïÃ*åò äéðëá äéðëá ìå pc version êáé äåÃ* âëåðåéò ôñïìáêôéêç äéáöïñá ãåÃ*éáò.
    ÄåÃ* Ã*ïìßæù ôï Gears Ã*á ÞôáÃ* êáëýôåñï áðü ôï Far Cry 1.

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    ^^ Óå textures êáé ìïÃ*ôåëá ÷áñáêôçñùÃ* óéãïõñá çôáÃ*, óå ìåãåèïò ðéóôùÃ* ï÷é, ôï far cry óéãïõñá çôáÃ* ðïëõ ðéï áÃ*ïé÷ôï. ÓõÃ*ïëéêá ïìùò ðéóôåõù ïôé ôï Gears çôáÃ* ðïëõ ðéï åÃ*ôõðùóéáêï óéãïõñá.

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    ÄåÃ* Ã*ïìßæù ôï Gears Ã*á ÞôáÃ* êáëýôåñï áðü ôï Far Cry 1.
    Åõêïëá ðéóôåõù
    ÅêáÃ*å ìðáì ïôé çôáÃ* last gen óå óõãêñéóç ìå ôï GeoW
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1QPnwUpEw4"]Far Cry Trailer - YouTube[/ame]
    (AÃ* êáé ìåÃ*á ìïõ áñåóáÃ* ðáÃ*ôá ðåñéóóïôåño ôá ãñáöéêá ôïõ HL2)

    Áëëùóôå áÃ* èõìáóáé åêåéÃ*ç ôçÃ* åðï÷ç åé÷áÃ* åÃ*ôõðùóéáóôåé ïëïé ìå ôá ãñáöéêá ôïõ GeoW êáé åëåãáÃ* áÃ*ïé÷ôá ïôé çôáÃ* ôá êáëõôåñá ãñáöéêá ever ìå÷ñé ôá åðïìåÃ*á.
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    Ná ðù ôçÃ* áëÞèåéá äåÃ* åß÷á åÃ*ôõðùóéáóôåß êáé ôüóï!

  14. #54
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    ÖñÝóêá ÍÝá-öÞìåò.....

    Source: The PS4 Will Be Out This November, And You¢ll Be Able To Control It With Your Phone

    http://kotaku.com/5985356/


    " the PlayStation 4, codenamed Orbis, will be out this November in the United States."

    " there are two models planned for the new machine, and that pricing won't be announced until later this year, possibly around E3. The current plan, our source says, is to release them at $429 and $529, but that could change."

    " you'll also be able to control the PS4 remotely from your tablet or smartphone. You'll be able to use a mobile device to chat with your PS4 friends or buy games which are then automatically downloaded to your machine, our source says."

    " "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use. Sony's new online service will be called PlayStation World, our source says, replacing PlayStation Plus."

    " every PS4 will come with a PlayStation Eye; that a new spectating feature will let you watch other friends play games from your console's dashboard, even when you don't own the game they're playing; and that the console will support local network play via Vita."




    (ÐñïóÝîôå ôçÃ* ôñýðá óôï êÜôù ìÝñïò ôïõ ìï÷ëïý....ìÜëëïÃ* ãéá áêïõóôéêÜ)

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    " "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use. Sony's new online service will be called PlayStation World, our source says, replacing PlayStation Plus."
    ÄåÃ* ìïõ áñÝóåé ç éäÝá ôïõ åðß ðëçñùìÞ online & cross game chat...

    " every PS4 will come with a PlayStation Eye; that a new spectating feature will let you watch other friends play games from your console's dashboard, even when you don't own the game they're playing; and that the console will support local network play via Vita."
    Ôï spectating feature óßãïõñá èá èÝëåé êáëü upload. ÁÃ* êáôÜëáâá èá âëÝðåéò óå video ôé ðáßæåé ï ößëïò óïõ, áÃ* ôï Ý÷åé åðéôñÝøåé öõóéêÜ.

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    ÄåÃ* ìïõ áñÝóåé ç éäÝá ôïõ åðß ðëçñùìÞ online & cross game chat...


    Ôï spectating feature óßãïõñá èá èÝëåé êáëü upload. ÁÃ* êáôÜëáâá èá âëÝðåéò óå video ôé ðáßæåé ï ößëïò óïõ, áÃ* ôï Ý÷åé åðéôñÝøåé öõóéêÜ.
    ÈÝëù Ã*á ðéóôåýù ðùò ôïõëÜ÷éóôïÃ* ôï online gaming èá ðáñáìåßÃ*åé äùñåÜÃ* êáé èá ÷ñåþÃ*ïÃ*ôáé åîôñÜ õðçñåóßåò (ôïõëÜ÷éóôïÃ* Ýôóé êáôÜëáâá)

    On other news.......

    Is 'PlayStation Cloud' the name of Sony's new streaming games*service?


    " a service called "PlayStation Cloud" may also be in the cards. As spotted by*Twitter user Superannuation, playstation-cloud.com, playstation-cloud.org, and ps-cloud.net were all registered on February 15th, with none other than Gaikai serving as the administrative contact (Sony bought the cloud-based gaming company*last June)."

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    Ôï spectating feature óßãïõñá èá èÝëåé êáëü upload. ÁÃ* êáôÜëáâá èá âëÝðåéò óå video ôé ðáßæåé ï ößëïò óïõ, áÃ* ôï Ý÷åé åðéôñÝøåé öõóéêÜ.
    ËïãéêÜ äåÃ* èá ôï âëÝðåéò óå 1080Ñ. Êáé óå ÷áìçëüôåñç áÃ*Üëõóç äåÃ* ìå ÷áëÜåé êáèüëïõ. ÁÃ* üÃ*ôùò ôï êÜÃ*ïõÃ* èá åßÃ*áé ãéá ìÝÃ*á ÔÑÏÌÅÑÇ ðñïóèÞêç!

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    ËïãéêÜ äåÃ* èá ôï âëÝðåéò óå 1080Ñ. Êáé óå ÷áìçëüôåñç áÃ*Üëõóç äåÃ* ìå ÷áëÜåé êáèüëïõ. ÁÃ* üÃ*ôùò ôï êÜÃ*ïõÃ* èá åßÃ*áé ãéá ìÝÃ*á ÔÑÏÌÅÑÇ ðñïóèÞêç!
    Êáé 720p Ã*á åßÃ*áé, ìçÃ* ðåñéìÝÃ*åéò Ã*á äïõëÝøåé áðñüóêïðôá ìå ADSL 1 Mbps upload. ËïãéêÜ ìéëÜìå ãéá êùäéêïðïßçóç H.264.

  19. #59
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    Playstation World, the first info on the new service available at launch with the new PS4 console



    Cloud-gaming in the first place!

    He had already spoken in the news this mattica. Now we are transmitting you some news about PlayStation World, a new service available at launch with the new Playstation 4. This is what can be seen from some rumors from New York.

    The new name was chosen because it encompass all the services known to date along with other new, and will be accessible from a variety of devices in addition to the Playstation 4 and earlier PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita, including tablets, smartphones, web site via PC, Smart TV.

    Here are the top features:
    Free
    - Online free as the current Playstation Network
    - Voice chat between all PlayStation certified devices, ie consoles and smartphones

    Payment (annual cost of about $ 89.)
    - Playstation Plus (included with these services previously have) enhanced new proposals, users PS4
    - Access to Gaikai for cloud-gaming with the option to play for free to list some of the titles in a month, while others pay
    - Share photos and / or videos directly to YouTube
    - More space for saved games in the cloud

    Remains to be seen which of the above features will be exclusive PS4 and what other shared on consoles and mobile devices. While waiting for a denial or confirmation from Sony, we remind you that tonight will be staged on Playstation Meeting, to watch live video streaming on our 4NewsTV LIVE with commentary in Italian by the editors of 4News.it



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