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    ñå óõ äåí âëåðù ðïõèåíá êáôé ôåôïéï... ðïõ óôï êáëï åéíáé?


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    Áí ðçãáéíåéò ìå file open ôçí ðáôçóåò, áðï ôïí content browser ôá âñéóêåéò

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    Á íá ãåéá óïõ ñå Ðáíáãéùôç, ëåù êé åãù! Åõ÷áñéóôù! Ôùñá êáíù ôï ÷åëùíáêé ðïõ åêáíå êáé ï Ëåõôåñçò óôçí ðïçãïõìåíç óåëéäá. Ôï êáíù óå 1920÷1200 áíáëõóç.

    ÕÃ Ç cpu åéíáé óôïõò 99-101 âáèìïõò êáé ôï öáí äïõëåõåé ìïíï óôéò 4300 óôñïöåò... ãéáôé äåí äéíåé ðåñéóóïôåñï ôï ìëêéóìåíï áöïõ ìðïñåé, íá ñéîåé ëéãï ðåñåéóóïôåñï ôçí èåñìïêñáóéá? íá ÷ùóù ôï smcfancontrol?

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    ÷ùóå ìç êóáèõóôåñåéò, áí êáé äåí êåñá ôá öáí ôïõ éìáê ðïóåò óôñïöåò å÷ïõí ìáîéìïõì.

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    Êáôé äåí ðáåé êáëá... å÷ù âáëåé ôï ÷åëùíáêé íá ôï êáíåé render óå áíáëõóç 1680÷1050 êáé áõôçí ôçí óôéãìç å÷åé êáíåé 40 ëåðôá êáé êáíåé ôï 4ï progressive pass... ãéáôé êáíåé ôïóç ùñá?

    Èõìáìáé ðïõ ï Ëåõôåñçò åëåãå ïôé åêáíå ôçí áëëç åéêïíá áíáëõóçò 4ê (38mb) óå 1 ùñá ìïíï....

    Å÷ù êáíåé êáììéá ìëêéá? ìïíï ôçí áíáëõóç ðåéñáîá. Ðïóá passes èá êáíåé?

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    Å÷ù ôçí åíôõðùóç ïôé ôï êáíåéò render ìå ôïí physical, óå progressive mode, óå áõôç ôçí ðåñéðôùóç áðï default èá êáíåé render ãéá ðáíôá!!! íïìéæù å÷åé êáðïéá åðéëïãç ãéá íá ìçí ôï êáíåé ïôáí ôï êáíåéò óôï picture viewer, åáí äåí õðáñ÷åé, êáíå ôï ìå adaptive.

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    Slay ïíôùò physical åéíáé! Ôùñá ðùò ôï óôáìáôáù? Êáé ìïõ åêáíå åíôõðùóç ãéáôé ôï êáèå ðáóó ôï êáíåé ó÷åôéêá ãñçãïñá...

    Ôùñá ôé ðñåðåé íá åðéëåîù, å÷åé physical, standard, software, hardware êáé cineman.... ëïãéêá ðáù ãéá standard?

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    êáôóå íá êáíïõìå ìéá äïêéìç, áñ÷éêá êáíå ôï render óôçí áíáëõóç ðïõ åñ÷åôáé äçëáäç 700÷525, ìåôá ìåéíå óôïí physical, áëëá áðï ôéò åðéëïãåò ôïõ ôï ãõñéæåéò óå adaptive ÷ùñéò íá ðåéñáîåéò ôéðïôå áëëï, êáé ôï êáíåéò render êáé ìáò ëåò ÷ñïíï, ôï êáíù êáé åãù ôùñá áõôï áêñéâùò ðïõ óïõ åéðá.
    ÂTW áõôï ðïõ ôï êáèõóôñåé ôïóï ðïëõ åéíáé ï Physical renderer, áëëá êõñéùò ôï ãåãïíïò ïôé óå 3 õëéêá å÷åé sub-polygon displacement.

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    ðåñéìåíå åíá åíá ãéáôé ïðùò ëååé êáé ï ôéôëïò åéìáé áíéäåïò.

    íá êáíù áñ÷éêá ôï render ìå ôïí physical óå progressive óôçí áíáëõóç 700÷525 óùóôá?

    Káé ìåôá íá ôï êáíù ìå ôïí physical ðáëé áëëá óå adaptive íáé?

    Áí ïëá ôá ëåù êáëá ðñåðåé íá ìïõ ðåéò ðïõ óôï êáëï ôï ãõñíáù áðï progressive óå adaptive ãéáôé äåí ôï âñéóêù!

    ÕÃ: åíïóï åãñáöá áõôï ôï ðïóô ãõñéóá ôï render óå standar renderer êáé åêáíá ôï ÷åëùíáêé óå 1680÷1050 se 3 ëåðôá.

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    ïôáí åðéëåãåéò áðï ôï ìåíïõ åðáíù ôïí physical, ôïôå óôçí áñéóôåñç êïëùíá èá óïõ åìöáíéóôåé ç åðéëïãç physical, ôçí åðéëåãåéò êáé áðï åêåé ãõñéæåéò ôï mode óå adaptive, ïóï ãéá ôï progressive, Oðùò åéðá çäç...
    Progressive: This sampler can render infinitely (samples will continuously be calculated). The longer it renders the better the antialiasing and blur effects such as DOF, motion blur and matte effects will be calculated.

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    ^^ Ìáãêáò åéóáé! Ôï âáæù óå adaptive ôùñá êáé áñ÷éæù ôï render óôçí áíáëõóç ðïõ åéðáìå

    EDIT Ùñáéá ôï åâáëá. Ðïóï ÷ñïíï åêáíåò åóõ Slay?

    EDIT 2: åéíáé öõóéïëïãéêï ðïõ óôïí picture viewer âëåðù áðëá óôï óçìåéï ðïõ õðïôéèåôáé ìïõ äåé÷íåé ôçí åéêïíá.... ìéá .... ìáõñéëá êáé ôéðïôá áëëï?
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    Ôï âëåðù íá êáíåé êáôé áéùíåò slay lol! 10 ëåðôá ìå÷ñé óôéãìçò êáé å÷åé êáíåé 6 ôåôñáãùíáêéá ìïíï!

    ëïë ãéáôé åôóé áñãá?

    Óôïí Standard óå áíáëõóç 1680÷1050 ôï åêáíå ìåóá óå 3 ëåðôá ïëï êïìðëå. Óáöùò õðïôéèåôáé ïôé ôùñá ôï êáíåé ðéï óïõðåñ ìå ôï physical áëëá ôïóï ðïëõ ãéá 700÷525? Êé åóõ ðáñïìïéá áðïôåëåóìáôá å÷åéò?

    ÅÄÉÔ: Åâáëá ôùñá ôï ÷åëùíáêé óå standard renderer óå áíáëõóç 2880÷1800 êáé ôï åêáíå óå 22 ëåðôá.
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    åìåíá åéíáé óôéò 2 ùñåò, êáé å÷åé ìåëëïí áêïìá, èá óïõ ðù ïôáí ôåëåéùóåé, êáé èá óïõ äùóù êáé áðïôåëåóìá áðï ôïí standard. ðáíôùò åãù äåí ôïí ÷ñçóéìïðïéù ôïí physical , óõíçèùò standard + GI + AO ÷ñçóéìïðïéù.

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    ¸íá offtopic. 100 âáèìïß CPU Temp??? Áí äåí êÜíù ëÜèïò åßóáé óôá üñéá íá ãßíåé öñéôÝæá. Äåí Ý÷åé êÜðïéï setting ãéá íá óâÞíåé áõôüìáôá üôáí ðåñÜóåé Ýíá üñéï ç èåñìïêñáóßá? Äåí ôï Ý÷åéò ðåéñÜîåé áõôü, Ýôóé?. ÔÝôïéá èåñìïêñáóßá ìïõ öáßíåôáé õðåñâïëéêÜ õðåñâïëéêÞ üôé êáé íá êÜíåéò. ÅìÝíá ôï laptop ìå i5 öôÜíåé 79-80 üôáí ðáßæù games. ÊáôÝâáóå ôï app ðïõ ëåò êáé âÜëå full ôïõò áíåìéóôÞñåò üôáí êÜíåéò rendering. Áí ôï Ý÷åéò ðïëëÜ ÷ñüíéá ðéèáíü íá ÷ñåéÜæåôáé êáèÜñéóìá. Óå normal ëåéôïõñãßá ôé èåñìïêñáóßá Ý÷åéò?

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    Ï÷é ôï å÷ù øáîåé åôóé åéíáé ç ëåéôïõñãåéá ïðùò äçëùíåé ï êáôáóêåõáóôçò (óôçí äéêéá ìïõ ôïõëá÷éóôïí ðåñéðôùóç äåí îåñù ãéá ôïõ ëåõôåñç áëëá ëïãéêá ôï éäéï éó÷õåé êáé åêåé).

    Ôï å÷ù ôóåêáñåé êáé åéíáé ìåóá óôá ðëáéóéá ëåéôïõñãéáò ðïõ áíáöåñåé ç intel áëëá êáé ç apple. Åãù äåí å÷ù ðåéñáîåé ôéðïôá áðïëõôùò, áëëá ïëá ôá retina óå ôåôïéåò èåñìïêñáóéåò äïõëåõïõí óå öïõë öïñôï. Ðáíôùò äåí ôçí êáôáëáâáéíåéò åíôïíá áõôçí ôçí èåñìïêñáóéá ïôáí ôï êñáôáò. Ãåíéêá äåí äåé÷íåé íá æåìáôáåé ðïõ ëåìå.

    Óå íïñìáë ëåéôïõñãåéá (browsing, music, video text êëð) åéíáé óôïõò 45-60 âáèìïõò (60 ìå âéíôåï).

    Ïôáí áñ÷éóåéò ïìùò íá ÷ùíåéò ïëïõò ôïõò ðõñçíåò êáé ôá óõíáöç óêáñöáëùíåé óáí ðïõóôçò.

    Å÷ù âáëåé ãéá áóöáëåéá êáé ôï SMCfancontrol ðïõ óå áöçíåé íá áíåâáóåéò åóõ ôá öáíò ïðïôå èåò. Ôï ðåéñáæù ìïíï óå ôåôïéåò ðåñéðôùóåéò ãéá íá åéìáé óôá 90-95 âáèìïõò, áí êáé ç apple êáé ç éíôåë äçëùíïõí ïôé äåí å÷åéò êáíåíá ðñïâëçìá êáé 100 íá ÷ôõðáò. Åéíáé ìåóá óôéò ðñïäéáãñáöåò.

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    ôï äéêï ìïõ ôåëåéùóå ôï render, lol áëëá ìá ôçí ðáíáãéá äåí ôï îáíáêáíù áõôï ôï ðñáãìá ãéá 700×525 åéêïíá ëïë!

    Åâáëá ôïí óôáíäáñ êáé ìïõ åêáíå ôï render 2880x1800 óå 22 ëåðôá
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    ôï render ìå ôï cupcake ôï Ýâáëá óôï physical êáé ôï óôáìÜôçóá ìåôÜ áðü 1,5 þñá......óôá 117 passes! Åî ïõ êáé ôï áñôéüôáôï áðïôÝëåóìá, ðáñÜ ôçí ÷áìçëüôáôç áíÜëõóç...

    æçëåýù ôá 22 ëåðôÜ ôïõ quad core óå 2880÷1800....íá ìå âñÜóù.

    ðåñéôôü íá ðù üôé ôï áðåãêáôÝóôçóá åíôåëþò ôï C4D, ãéáôß èá ôï ðÞãáéíá ãéá êÜøéìï ôï ìç÷áíÜêé ìå ôçí ÷ñüíéá ôñÝëá ðïõ ìå âáñÜåé...

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    Íá ôïíéóù ïìùò ïôé çôáí óå stadar mode ôï 2880÷1800 render. Ôï physical ðïõ åêáíá ìå progressive óôá 1680÷1050 ôï óôáìáôçóá ìåôá áðï 7 passes. Ôï êáèå pass óå áõôçí ôçí áíáëõóç åêáíå 10 ðåñéðïõ ëåðôá.

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    å, ãéá Üíèñùðï ðïõ Ý÷åé ìÜèåé óå 8-10 þñåò rendering, ãéá íá âãåé 1 áðü ôéò åéêüíåò "Lefteris", ðïõ åßíáé êáé áðåßñùò åëáöñÝò (ìçäåíéêÞ ðïëõðëïêüôçôá óôï modeling / texturing / matter properties êáé 3-4 öþôá).............êáé ãéá áíÜëõóç 720x576 - 800x600 êáé óðáíéüôåñá 1024x768.......

    ôá 22 ëåðôá êáé 2880÷1800 êáé ãéá render õøçëÞò -óõãêñéôéêÜ- ðïëõðëïêüôçôáò.........åßíáé ÷ñüíïò DT, óôá üñéá ôïõ "real time" ãéá ôá ìÜôéá ìïõ.

    ÷å÷å÷å, Ýäåéîá óå Ýíáí ößëï ðñþçí Amig-Ü êáé íõí Mac-Ü, ìÝóù ôïõ Messeges ôïõ Mac OS, ôéò öùôü ìå ôï Lefteris êáé ôá ôóéãÜñá/êáöÝ.

    ôïõ ëÝù "óïõ ëÝíå êÜôé áõôÜ; "

    "ðù ñå ËåõôÝñç! Óáí å÷ôÝò ôá èõìÜìáé, ðïõ ìüëéò ôá Ýöôéáîåò Þñèåò óáí ôñåëüò ìå ôïí óêëçñü óôï ÷Ýñé êáé ìáò ôéò Ýäåéîåò, êáé ìáò Ýðåóáí ôá óáãüíéá" (ï óêëçñüò óôï ÷Ýñé, êáèþò äåí õðÞñ÷å ãñçãïñüôåñïò ôñüðïò íá ìåôáöÝñù ôüóï ìåãÜëá áñ÷åßá áðü õðïëïãéóôÞ óå õðïëïãéóôÞ ôüôå)

    Ýìåéíáí áíåîßôçëåò áõôÝò ïé öùôü, êáèþò ðñïêáëïýóáí äÝïò ãéá ôçí åðï÷Þ ôïõò! ñïìáíôéêÝò ôå÷íïëïãéêÜ åðï÷Ýò, ìå ðïëëÞ öáíôáóßá ôïõ ôé ïìïñöéÝò èá âëÝðáìå óôï ìÝëëïí (êáé ìåôÜ öÜãáìå ôá Windows ÷áá÷á÷á÷á÷áá÷ Ýëéùóá).

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    Ëïéðïí ç ÷åëùíá 2 ùñåò 23 ëåðôá ìå ôï physical , 12 ëåðôá ìå ôïí standard êáé ç äéáöïñåò åéíáé áóçìáíôåò ãéá ôïóï ìåãáëõôåñï ÷ñïíï render. Ïðùò åéðá êáé ðñéí ï óõíäõáóìïò ðïõ äïõëåõåé êáëõôåñá ãéá ìåíá åéíáé standard +GI+AO ìå ôá settings óôï GI IR+QMC, samples->low, record density->low êáìéá öïñá ÷ñçóéìïðïéù êáé sky sampler åáí å÷ù ãéá öùôéóìï ìïíï åíá HDRI óå sky object

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    Aõôï ðáñáôçñçóá êé åãù Ðáíáãéùôç.... åêáíå ôïóç ùñá ãéá ôï physical êáé ðáñïëáõôá ïé äéáöïñåò ìå ôï standar çôáí ðñáãìáôéêá áäõíáôï íá ôéò äåéò óôçí öõóéïëïãéêç áíáëõóç. Áí åêáíåò æïõì íáé ïê, áëëá çìáñôïí äåí áîéæåé.

    Åîïõ êáé ôï "ìá ôçí Ðáíáãéá äåí ôï îáíáêáíù!" ëïë Éóùò óå óõãêåêñéìåíåò óõíèçêåò íá åéíáé ìåãáëõôåñåò ïé äéáöïñåò, áëëá öáê éô, åãù åíá íôåìï ôùí äõíáôïôçôùí ôïõ ìç÷áíçìáôïò çèåëá íá êáíù êáé ðñáãìáôéêá ìå ôï stadar mode ðçñá ôéò áðáíôçóåéò ðïõ çèåëá.

    Ôùñá êáôé áëëï, ãéáôé å÷ù öáåé ðïëëåò ùñåò êáé ôï ðáëåõù.

    Ðçñá ëïéðïí ôï ÷åëùíáêé ìïõ, êáé åéðá íá ôï âáëù óå ìéá óêçíç ôçí ïðïéá åãù èá öôéáîù. Öôéá÷íù ëïéðïí åíá landscape, ôï ÷ñùìáôéæù êáé ôï öùôéæù (ìå ôïõò ðëåïí âáóéêïõò ôñïðïõò) ôïðïèåôù óôçí óêçíç ôï ÷åëùíáêé, âáæù ðçãç öùôïò, ïëá êáëá êáé ëåù íá ðáù íá âáëù êáé åíáí ïõñáíï. Êáé ñå ðáéäéá åêáíá ïëç ôçí äéáäéêáóéá 3 öïñåò êáé ðáíôá êáôáëçãù êáðïéá óôéãìç óå ïëç áõôçí ôçí äéáäéêáóéá (äåí åéíáé óôáíôáñ ðïôå èá ôï ðáèù, áëëá èá ôï ðáèù óéãïõñá) íá ôñùù óôçí ìáðá åíá îåíåñïõá "texture error" ïôáí ðáù íá êáíù åíá ãñçãïñï ñåíôåñ (cmd+R) ãéá íá äù êõñéùò ôïõò öùôéóìïõò êáé öõóéêá ëïãù ôïõ ìçíõìáôïò ïôáí ãéíåôáé ñåíôåñ ç óêçíç ôï ÷åëùíáêé åéíáé êáôáìáõñï...

    Ôï ÷åéñïôåñï ïëùí åéíáé ïôé ïóá undo êáé íá êáíù.... ôï åññïñ ðáíôá åêåé èá åéíáé êáé ôï ÷åëùíáêé èá åéíáé ðáíôá ìáõñï...

    ìå å÷åé ôñåëáíåé... ôé óôï êáëï êáíù ëáèïò? Ðùò ìðïñù íá äéïñèùóù áõôï ôï åññïñ???

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