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dromader
23-03-2010, 21:38
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23-03-2010, 22:49
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23-03-2010, 22:51
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23-03-2010, 23:08
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23-03-2010, 23:25
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24-03-2010, 12:21
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24-03-2010, 15:07
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24-03-2010, 15:29
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24-03-2010, 15:30
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24-03-2010, 16:05
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24-03-2010, 16:10
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24-03-2010, 16:57
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25-03-2010, 21:32
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25-03-2010, 22:09
einai epoxh epilogon pantos se pagkosmio epipedo h katastash pou epikratei ston kosmo.... einai enfanes oti ta teleytaia xronia ena ena diafora krath (islandia, lettonia, tsexia, boylgaria ,indonhsia, argentinh , bolivia, roymania ktl ....)briskonte sto idio problhma me to diko mas ...na mpoume h na mhn mpoume DNT.....ola ta krath tha anagkastoun na perasoun apo ayto to stadio....alloi mpenoun alloi oxi..ta paradeigmata ton allon xoron apodykneioun oti .opoia epilogh k na kaneis to apotelesma einai to idio ...........
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25-03-2010, 22:42
o giorgakis thn dedomenh stigmh oso xazo k an ton theoro ofeilo na omologhso oti einai antimetopos me thn pio krishmh apofsh gia thn poreia ths xoras apo edo k pera.........

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25-03-2010, 22:48
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27-03-2010, 22:51
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17-04-2010, 21:45
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17-04-2010, 22:12
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Eksallou aftes (opos ki emeis sindomos) to kalesan - den irate aprosklito.

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Alla efoson kseroun pos eimaste karagiozides ke kseftilismenoi axristoi xaramofaides logico den eine Na thesoun ke tous orous Tous?

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Eksallou aftes (opos ki emeis sindomos) to kalesan - den irate aprosklito.

Gia Na katalaveis ti simenei DNT metra: an Pamela monoi stis agores Gia daneio p.x. 1 bn me spread 4.5% pou 'nai tora (2,5-3% epitokio Germanias + Ta dika Mas) exei terastia diafora apo to epitokio tou DNT pou tha einai aplos 5% mono.
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21-04-2010, 04:23
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21-04-2010, 05:43
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For that I'd need a pretty good cause
Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television
Yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
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Revolution calling
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Gotta make a change
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They keep selling me on T.V.
About the communist plan
And all the shady preachers
Begging for my cash
Swiss bank accounts while giving their
Secretaries the slam

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I guess Warhol wasn't wrong
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Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies

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Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

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To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

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21-04-2010, 09:46
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21-04-2010, 10:03
For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I'd need a pretty good cause
Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television
Yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I'm tired of all this bullshit
They keep selling me on T.V.
About the communist plan
And all the shady preachers
Begging for my cash
Swiss bank accounts while giving their
Secretaries the slam

They're all in Penthouse now
Or Playboy magazine, million dollar stories to tell
I guess Warhol wasn't wrong
Fame fifteen minutes long
Everyone's using everybody, making the sale

I used to think
That only America's way, way was right
But now the holy dollar rules everybody's lives
Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
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Gotta push, gotta push it on through

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21-04-2010, 10:07
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21-04-2010, 12:54
For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I'd need a pretty good cause
Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television
Yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I'm tired of all this bullshit
They keep selling me on T.V.
About the communist plan
And all the shady preachers
Begging for my cash
Swiss bank accounts while giving their
Secretaries the slam

They're all in Penthouse now
Or Playboy magazine, million dollar stories to tell
I guess Warhol wasn't wrong
Fame fifteen minutes long
Everyone's using everybody, making the sale

I used to think
That only America's way, way was right
But now the holy dollar rules everybody's lives
Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
[There's a] Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through

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georgios
21-04-2010, 18:08
den parakoluthisa oli tin kuventa pantos apo oti vlepo den sizitate pleon gia ti draxmi.

den nomizo oti tha kerdisume pola an apomonothume apo europi nomismatika i politika

etsi ki alios baxalo imaste ke tha maste. tulaxiston as exume ke kapius na mas travane ta luria

emena to erotima mu ine an tha gini, telika

akustike ke ego den to apoklio katholu. apla isos mas to servirun ena oreo proi otan tha exi ksexasti

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21-04-2010, 18:31
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21-04-2010, 19:15
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21-04-2010, 19:36
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21-04-2010, 20:41
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..2.-melnibonian, spoiler

The Politics Of Ecstasy

I hate you, the pigs who turn the screws, I hate everything you stand for
I hate the world we've bred, political pigs we've fed, our fathers left us nothing but a dead world
Beyond repair down in despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the influx of technology I realize the politics of ecstasy
And we can't change what's in stone
We've been had. Injustice to the masses, destroy the land and crush the poor
The pigs are fueled by greed, political ways obscene, our fathers left corruption in this dead world
Beyond repair down is despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the puke of their industry, regurgitated propaganda ministry
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
Freedom's never free, these are the politics of ecstasy:
I hate you , the pigs who turn the screws, I hate everything you stand for
I hate the world we've bred, political pigs we've fed, our fathers left us nothing but a dead world
Beyond repair down in despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the influx of technology I realize the politics of ecstasy
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
If you take a step back and you realize your home can't be a perfect world
There's still hope the hate you fell will fade, injustice is gone:
Injustice is gone for a little while

YouTube- Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstasy

liberostelios
21-04-2010, 21:11
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21-04-2010, 21:30
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21-04-2010, 21:47
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21-04-2010, 22:29
... , .
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..Your name mister,
..2.-melnibonian, spoiler

The Politics Of Ecstasy

I hate you, the pigs who turn the screws, I hate everything you stand for
I hate the world we've bred, political pigs we've fed, our fathers left us nothing but a dead world
Beyond repair down in despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the influx of technology I realize the politics of ecstasy
And we can't change what's in stone
We've been had. Injustice to the masses, destroy the land and crush the poor
The pigs are fueled by greed, political ways obscene, our fathers left corruption in this dead world
Beyond repair down is despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the puke of their industry, regurgitated propaganda ministry
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
Freedom's never free, these are the politics of ecstasy:
I hate you , the pigs who turn the screws, I hate everything you stand for
I hate the world we've bred, political pigs we've fed, our fathers left us nothing but a dead world
Beyond repair down in despair, our fathers left us nothing
Choking on the influx of technology I realize the politics of ecstasy
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
Freedom's never free, the politics of ecstasy are these:
If you take a step back and you realize your home can't be a perfect world
There's still hope the hate you fell will fade, injustice is gone:
Injustice is gone for a little while

YouTube- Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstasy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDhXycenDo)


Gianni, Konstantino me lene - sorry, apo ti viasini mou to ksexasa:D

jimspy
22-04-2010, 01:16
apolyto dikio exei o vasses...to eyro apodeixthike megalh apotyxia....... h oikonomia toso ths elladas oso k ths eyrophs htan se poly kalytera epipeda otan den yphrxe to eyro..... to thema einai oti tora, to pisogyrisma sthn draxmh tha htan katastrofiko.... h monh oytopikh lysh tha htan ola ta eyropaika krath na apofasisoun na epistrepsoun sthn pro eyro epoxh ....

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YouTube- Bob Chapman: Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ Α*ΟΔΙΟ*ΟΜ*ΑΙΟΣ ΤΡΑΓΟΣ

Melnibonian
22-04-2010, 05:41
video. Vasses . , ...
LIBEROSTELIOS... , , , ! , ( ) , , video, !
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jimspy
22-04-2010, 08:06
den yparxoyn prodotes k den eythinete oyte o ellhnas poliths , oyte o italos , oyte o amerikanos, oyte o portogalos ktl..... opos sosta epishmanthike to paixnidi den to paizei o kathe laos alla mia omada oikonomikon paragonton poy exei orisei apo thn arxh toy aiona sxedon , ena pagkosmio systhma oikonomias me skopo thn apolyth eksoysia se laoys k krath.....
to na rixnoyme thn eythinh ston polith einai h eykolh lysh....den einai fainomeno mono ellhniko h katastash pou epikratei ayth thn stigmh sthn oikonomia alla oles oi xores antimetopizoun ta idia problhmata daneismoy k oikonomikon problhmaton....
den mporeis etsi eykola na kathgoreis ton ellhna polith os tempelh k roysfetologo k na toy rixneis oles tis eythines gia thn katastash ths xoras giati me thn idia logikh tha eprepe na kathgoriseis k ton argentino k letono prin merika xronia k ton ispano portogalo italo ktl ta epomena poy erxonte giati k aytoi exoun parei seira..........
to systhma ayto poy elegxei k anebokatebazei tis oikonomies tou planhth den mporei na anatrapei pleon...... h monh lysh kat eme den einai oi oytopikes theories anatrophs toy systhmatos(poy to mono poy tha epiferei tha einai h idia katastash me allous ''arxhgoys'') alla h anastrofh symperiforas toy polith k ton laon apenanti se ayto.....

atomsk
22-04-2010, 09:09
... .


My References:



http://www.eamb.gr/new_text/xreos.htm

Money Masters
YouTube- The Money Masters (Part 1 of 22)

The Corporation
YouTube- THE CORPORATION [1/23] What is a Corporation?

Zeitgeist the Movie
YouTube- ZEITGEIST - MOVIE (FULL VERSION) PLEASE SHARE WITH EVERYONE

Zeitgeist Addendum
YouTube- ZEITGEIST II ADDENDUM (FULL MOVIE!) - PLEASE SHARE


mail 1 "".

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Melnibonian
22-04-2010, 09:11
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MilitaryRaiden
22-04-2010, 11:58
Re pedia, giati vlepete fandasmata?
Kat'arxin: oudeis epevale se kanena to DNT-pige ekei pou to kalesane, edose xrimata me safos ftinotera epitokia en sxesei me ta loipa diathesima alla logika apetouse tous orous pou theorouse pos tha eksasfalisoun tin epistrofi twn ofilomenwyn.

Gia pia "nra taxi pragmatwn" milate? Oi exthroi pou epivoulevonde tin elladara sas dimiourgisan to gigandieo dhmosio xreos ke ta elleimata i oi "pagosmii kivernites" dimiourgisan to terastio zitima aksiopistias tis xoras? - dioti gia afto kirios den mas daneizoun...
Exete ipopsin pos den eine i proti fora pou tithete zitima akeiopistias tis Ellados: paromoia karagiozilikia kaname ke kata tin ptoxefsi Trikoupi to 1893 pou efere ton diethni oikonomiko elenxo tou 1897 ta daneia tou opoiou apoplirothikan epi Simiti...

Pros ti i sinomosiologia loipon...?

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22-04-2010, 12:11
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MilitaryRaiden
22-04-2010, 12:44
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Gia ta ladomata simfono apolitos alla KE afto DEN ofeilete se kamia pagosmia sinomosia alla sto kako mas to kefali.

Oso gia ta peri metanastefseos kalos na erthoun mias ki emeis gia mia akomi fora apodeiknioume pos den eimaste aksioi ethnikis kiriarxias OLOMONAXOI ke xoris voithia apo fandastikous exthrous...

MilitaryRaiden
22-04-2010, 12:55
As tsibisoume tora ke mia akomi diapsefsi twn stoixeiwn mas: sto 13% to elleima gia to 2009....

Perastika mas...

liberostelios
22-04-2010, 14:34
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22-04-2010, 14:53
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22-04-2010, 16:03
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22-04-2010, 16:23
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ta diabasa ...alla den theoro toys politikous prodotes....toys theoro pionia enos systhmatos pou adynatoyn na allaksoyn k apla syntiroun....to idio akribos theoro k toys polites poy toys psifizoun kathe 4 xronia k genika olo ayto to theatro ton eklogon poy syntirei thn yparxoysa katastash .......ekei eggyte h diafonia moy sto post soy....
ps. h diafonia moy epishs den afora mono to diko soy post alla k toy military raiden otan anaferome oti den einai mono h ellhnes poy einai se aythn thn katastash alla k polloi alloi toso sto parelthon oso k sto mellon....ara einai atopa ta epixeirhmata toy gia thn nootropia toy ellhna k toy ell. dhmosioy poy dhmioyrghse ta yperogka xreh ktl....afoy ola ta krath exoyn yperogka xreh apla h anaksiopistia toys tha fanei sto mellon h exei emfanistei sto parelthon....(bl. letonia, argentinh ktl.)....

vasses
22-04-2010, 18:54
Re pedia, giati vlepete fandasmata?
Kat'arxin: oudeis epevale se kanena to DNT-pige ekei pou to kalesane, edose xrimata me safos ftinotera epitokia en sxesei me ta loipa diathesima alla logika apetouse tous orous pou theorouse pos tha eksasfalisoun tin epistrofi twn ofilomenwyn.

Gia pia "nra taxi pragmatwn" milate? Oi exthroi pou epivoulevonde tin elladara sas dimiourgisan to gigandieo dhmosio xreos ke ta elleimata i oi "pagosmii kivernites" dimiourgisan to terastio zitima aksiopistias tis xoras? - dioti gia afto kirios den mas daneizoun...
Exete ipopsin pos den eine i proti fora pou tithete zitima akeiopistias tis Ellados: paromoia karagiozilikia kaname ke kata tin ptoxefsi Trikoupi to 1893 pou efere ton diethni oikonomiko elenxo tou 1897 ta daneia tou opoiou apoplirothikan epi Simiti...

Pros ti i sinomosiologia loipon...?

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23-04-2010, 02:28
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23-04-2010, 03:24
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23-04-2010, 08:04



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MilitaryRaiden
23-04-2010, 09:35
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Simfono mazi sou ke prostheto: tin epoxi tis draxmis ta pername apo tin EU os "paketa stirixis" nomizondas pos tha mas dinane xartzilikia gia panda...
Tora pou teleiosane ta mbaksisia trexoume ke den ftanoume. To asteio eine pos polloi pistevoun akomi pos palia ipirxan douleies logo...dikis mas paragogikotitos...!
Kala ksipnitouria mas tora ap' ton bathitato ipno dekaetion...

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23-04-2010, 13:08
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23-04-2010, 15:19
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23-04-2010, 15:29
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23-04-2010, 15:32
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23-04-2010, 16:01
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23-04-2010, 16:22
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23-04-2010, 16:26
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23-04-2010, 17:28
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23-04-2010, 17:33
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23-04-2010, 18:53
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23-04-2010, 18:57
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23-04-2010, 19:48
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23-04-2010, 20:32
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23-04-2010, 20:34
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Chill
23-04-2010, 20:39
Greek Bonds Approach Pakistan Levels on Debt Concern (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aVeRzS.9c7x4&pos=3)

paki !

GAP ? ?

P.s. vasses!!

dimitrisasp
23-04-2010, 20:51
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23-04-2010, 21:52
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NonBorn
23-04-2010, 21:55
PS3 ... :p :p :p

MilitaryRaiden
23-04-2010, 21:58
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Oi katatheseis se euro den exoun fovo, min anisixeis. An itan se draxmi tote klaf'ta...

dimitrisasp
23-04-2010, 22:47
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criter
23-04-2010, 22:48
Lehman Brothers . ( ) 100,000 . 100,000 . 20,000. 12,000 . , .

jimspy
23-04-2010, 23:25
ftaiei o giorgakis , ftaiei o kostakis, ftaiei o alogoskoyfhs ktl.....gia poio logo?.....oi polites pou tosa xronia toys anebokatebazan sthn kybernhsh den ftaine?....gia poio logo theoreite o giorgakis k o kostakis os prodotes k oxi oi psifoforoi toys?....otan taizan me ta lefta ton daneion toso toys eaytoys toys oso k toys psifoforoys toys toys apotheone o poliths....tora toys kathgorei gia thn eisodo sto DNT....
osh eythinh feroyn oi politikoi allh tosh feroyn k oi polites....
gia emena kanenas den ftaiei... oyte oi polites oyte oi politikoi...oloi marionetes htan k to mono poy toys enoiaze k noiazei htan k einai h ikanopoihsh ton mikroprosopikon toys symferonton....

Chill
23-04-2010, 23:27
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MilitaryRaiden
23-04-2010, 23:35
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An mboreis na figis orma...


Lehman Brothers . ( ) 100,000 . 100,000 . 20,000. 12,000 . , .


Kala, an kapoios apo sas exei 100000 (prosexte:ANA LOGARIASMO) pithanotata tha ta exei paei idi stin kipro i genikos se trapeza eksoterikou...

Oi ipoloipoi min anisixite, ta 5-10 xiliarika sas dej kindinevoun opote min arxisete tis isteries ke ta krivete sta sendoukia...

jimspy
23-04-2010, 23:35
chill den mporei kathemera na brizeis toys politikoys gia mizes , skandala , adikies ktl... k otan erxete h ora ton eklogon na phgaineis na toys ksanapsifizeis....an den ferei eythinh o poliths se ayto den ginete na ferei o politikos.....

MilitaryRaiden
23-04-2010, 23:41
ftaiei o giorgakis , ftaiei o kostakis, ftaiei o alogoskoyfhs ktl.....gia poio logo?.....oi polites pou tosa xronia toys anebokatebazan sthn kybernhsh den ftaine?....gia poio logo theoreite o giorgakis k o kostakis os prodotes k oxi oi psifoforoi toys?....otan taizan me ta lefta ton daneion toso toys eaytoys toys oso k toys psifoforoys toys toys apotheone o poliths....tora toys kathgorei gia thn eisodo sto DNT....
osh eythinh feroyn oi politikoi allh tosh feroyn k oi polites....
gia emena kanenas den ftaiei... oyte oi polites oyte oi politikoi...oloi marionetes htan k to mono poy toys enoiaze k noiazei htan k einai h ikanopoihsh ton mikroprosopikon toys symferonton....


chill den mporei kathemera na brizeis toys politikoys gia mizes , skandala , adikies ktl... k otan erxete h ora ton eklogon na phgaineis na toys ksanapsifizeis....an den ferei eythinh o poliths se ayto den ginete na ferei o politikos.....

Simfono mazi souoso den paei...! Alla afta pou perigrafeis proipothetoun periskepsi ke kopo pou distixos ap' o,ti fenete tous Ellines tous kourazei kapos opote ke ta apotelesmata tis metapolitefseos.

En to metaksi to na exei kati na pei kaneis gia ton Konstantino Karamanli (ton kanoniko...) xrizei erevnis...
Ti na pei kaneis...?

tasioskis
23-04-2010, 23:47
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23-04-2010, 23:49
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24-04-2010, 00:12
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24-04-2010, 00:22
ok...den diabasa olo to post....
tespa....ayto pou thelo na po einai oti kapoia pragmata einai adynaton na apofefxthoyn giati etsi orizonte apo kapoioys pou koinoun ta nhmata sthn pagkosmia oikonomia....kathgoroume toys politikous epeidh ksodeyan ta daneia aristera k deksia.....exei anaroththei kaneis pou tha mporousan na dioxeteythoyn ayta ta toso megala daneia efoson h ellada den exei oyte baria biomhxania alla oyte tis synthikes gia na anaptyksei kati tetoio....etsi ta daneia phgainan se eksoplismous ypo ton fobo toy ypotithemenou exthroy k oti perisseye moirazotan metaksi ton politikon k ton paratrexamenon toys....aytoi poy daneizan hkseran poly kala thn katastash sthn ellada alla par'ola ayta eksakoloythoysan na dinoun daneia gnorizontas oti pote den prokeito na apoplhrothoyn ....oi diafores kybernhseis me tis epifhmies toy polith ta epairnan k ta ksanaksodeyan aristera k deksia....to olo skhniko syntirito epi dekaeties m thn stiriksh k apodoxh toy polith meso ths parodias ton eklogon.....
ps. oso gia kapoious poy syneidita apeixan apo to eklogiko toys dikaioma(xaxa)h nomimofronh k eyypolhpth politeia ,se orismenes periptoseis eftase se shmeio na toys apokalesei os prodotes k os yponomeyetes ths ''dhmokratias'' afoy toys eixe k thn enalaktikh ton mikroteron kommaton poy o monos toys rolos (entelos tyxaia) einai na taytizonte ypo dyskoles synthikes me ena apo ta dyo prota kommata.....k pos na mhn einai aytos o rolos toys afoy symmetexoyn k ayta me rolo komparsoy sto idio theatriko.....

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24-04-2010, 00:48
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24-04-2010, 00:55
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....ego to blepo diaforetika ....blepo thn psifo moy san apodoxh se mia eklogokh parodia....
k ferno paradeigma ksana tis teleytaies ekloges .... alla k tis prohgoumenes....k tis akoma pio prohgoumenes....mexri to 96 poy arxisa na eixa eklogiko dikaioma(xaxa)........exoume ftasei se shmeio to fasistiko laos na synainei ''panhgyrika'' me to sosialistiko pasok gia thn anagkaiothta ths eisodou ths elladas sto DNT....h nd na paizei ton rolo ''den ksero tipota den eida tipota '' , to kke ton gnorimo rolo toy antirrisia k o synaspismos na kanei ton epanastath.....oso gia toys dialogoys...den to syzhtao ...se kathe thema ta idia me monh diafora thn allagh toy protagonisth.....
to exo ksanadei to ergo k htan mapa.....apoxh....mexri kati ousiastiko na allaksei....k tha allaksei mono otan apexoun oloi k den yparxoyn theates gia thn parodia toys....

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24-04-2010, 09:20
den einai h apoxh paraithsh einai politikh thesh...
ps. eno me thn psifo edo k 10eties blepoume shmera poso kalytera einai ta pragmata .....
k telos exei skeftei kaneis giati ola ta kommata syssoma einai yper ths psifoy oxi se aytoys alla ston opoiondipote ....mhpos gia na mporesoyn na nomimopoioun me laikh entolh thn yparxousa katastash_


bgainoume offtopic.....

NonBorn
24-04-2010, 13:39
den einai h apoxh paraithsh einai politikh thesh...
ps. eno me thn psifo edo k 10eties blepoume shmera poso kalytera einai ta pragmata .....
k telos exei skeftei kaneis giati ola ta kommata syssoma einai yper ths psifoy oxi se aytoys alla ston opoiondipote ....mhpos gia na mporesoyn na nomimopoioun me laikh entolh thn yparxousa katastash_


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ps. to pasok den to eipa sthn tyxh ....sigoyra ayto psifises krinontas apo thn antidrash sou (fonaskousa aporripsh me anyparkta gia allh mia fora epixeirhmata) se kati pou den exeis synithisei k sigoyra xoris na ksereis poia einai h dikia toy politikh thesh k kata poso thn pragmatonei ontas sthn kybermhsh tora k paliotera.......

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24-04-2010, 17:28
k profanos esy den exeis katalabei oti me to yparxon eklogiko-politiko systhma poy orizei h yparxoysa ''dhmokratia'' h psifos to mono pou kanei einai na nomimopoiei thn ayth katastash.....
.den diafono oti thn eythinh gia aythn thn katastash, h opoia den prokeite na allaksei me thn psifo mou, einai aporia ton politika aneytinon pateradon mas.....

esy loipon k h pleionothta pou opos les kserei pos na xrhsimopoiei thn psifo (to idio tropario parepiptontos to xrhsimopoiei k o xatzhnikolaoy k oi loipoi thleasteres edo k dekaeties) ti kataferes na allakseis tosa xronia k an oxi tosa xronia, stis teleytaies ekloges.....giati tosa xronia to idio akouo gia thn dynamh toy laoy k gia to pos orizei to mellon toy meso ths psifoy h mhpos esy eisai diaforetikos apo aytoys pou prin liga-polla xronia elegan ta idia.

kapoia pragmata krinonte ek toy apotelesmatos k sthn sygkekrimenh periptosh h ataka psifos=dynamh laoy exei os apotelesma thn diaionish ths idias katastashs...

ps.... to ti kano ego k to ti ekfrazei emena k toys ''filous'' mou den exei thesh sthn dikia sou politikh ypeythinotita ths apodoxhs toy eklogikoy - politikoy soy katesthmenou poy nomimopoieis me thn psifo soy k aforizete k katadikazete me ton idio tropo poy esy aforizeis k katadikazeis thn diaforetikh politikh thesh opos ayth ths apoxhs me to na milas gia eykoloys dromoys aneythinismoy xoris na exeis idea ti problhmata k ti kynhgi magisson antimetopizoyn aytonomes prospatheies pou leitoyrgoyn poly pio petyxhmena toso se atomiko oso k se syllogiko epipedo apo to diko soy katesthmeno pou me thn psifo sou synthreis....

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efoson den ksereis ti ennoo mhn mpaineis ston probokatoriko dromo poy se exoun mathei na akoloutheis otan kati den synagei me thn politikh soy ''ypeythinotita'' k den mporeis na antiparatheseis kapoio sobaro epixeirhma ektos apo to na sperneis logia k kathgories gia gkazakia bombes, foties sta dash(!! pos soy ksefyge?.) k loipes anohsies....se ligo tha to pistepseis ki olas an den to exeis pistepsei hdh....ayto einai to tragikotero olon k oxi oti theoreis oti orizeis to mellon soy me thn psifo sou........
k nai den katafera tipota giati apla aytoi poy psifizoun einai perissoteroi ...elpizo na katafero kati omos otan ta pososta antistrafoun k osoi apexoun exoun to idio pososto ayton poy psifizoun shmera.... k gia na se prolabo prin kaneis ton gnosto aforismo soy apantao ...katse na doume ti tha ginei tote k meta mporei na exeis dikio oti den katafera tipota...pros to paron omos apanthse moy esy sto erothma ths ekkinhshs k toy teleiomatos soy poy exoume k apotelesma ....se roto loipon ...
....esy ti kataferes me thn psifo sou....?....

ps. ektos toy oti kapoioi den kseroyn na grafoyn ellhnika poy synepagete bash ton legomenon soy oti den kseroun k arithmitikh(!!!ti aklonito epixeirhma!!!) merikoi alloi den exoyn kan thn elaxisth diaygeia sto myalo toys k thn krish na ksexorisoyn poios apantaei se poion..k gia na peso sto analogo epipedo epixeirimatologias katalhgo...kati tetoioi krites anebokatebazoyn kybernhseis....
ps2....den epina kafe...epina tsipoura sth paralia ...esy alhtheia poy tosa xronia psifizes poso perhfanos eisai tora gia ta apotelesmata ton psifon sou...
ps3. poios sou eipe oti diamartyrome ....makari na mhn allaksei h katastash gia mena ....mia xara bolemenos eimai me thn mexri shmera toylaxiston, katastash toylaxiston ston oikonomiko tomea.....gia sena den ksero poy exeis k thn dynamh ths psifoy sta xeria soy ....

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24-04-2010, 18:22
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25-04-2010, 09:58
Mithoi ke alithies peri DNT - enimeroni ke gia orismenes apories peri asfalias katatheseon pou apasxolisan ki anisixoun pollous ke edo:

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100016_25/04/2010_398888

MilitaryRaiden
25-04-2010, 10:15
Episis mia eksoxos diafotistiki sinendefksi tou Robert Mandel oikonomologou katoxou Nobel 1999:

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_2_25/04/2010_398878

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jimspy
25-04-2010, 10:48
poly kalo k sosto to arthro...alla den apantaei se ena basiko erothma......
me poion tropo tha mporesei h ellada na ginei paragogikh ? ti na paragei afoy den yparxoun oi analoges ypodomes ...?

ena megalo problhma ths elladas einai oti mexri tora to kratos esproxne ton pilith na ginei dhmosios ypallhlos......
.....einai tragiko ayto poy symbainei sthn 2bathmia ekpaideysh poy molis to 20% ton sxoleion einai texnika lykeia k sxoles k to 80% genika lykeia eno sthn ypoloiph eyroph ta pososta einai 60% texnika k 40 genikon spoydon....ayto fysika eggyte sto gegonos oti gia na leitoyrghsei ena texniko sxoleio xreiazete ta analoga mhxanhmata k ypodomes poy einai oikonomika mh symferonta gia thn oikonomia toy kratoys..k bebaia sta yparxonta texnika lykeia ta mhxanhmata einai aparxaiomena k se elaxistes periptoseis aggizoyn tis nees texnologies...... to ellhniko kratos protimhse na ksodeyei to megalytero meros toy proypologimoy toy stoys axrhstoys sthn oysia eksoplismoys toy stratoy para sthn paideia....
exei gemisei h ellada filologoys, logistes k,psixologoys ktl poy h monh toys epaggelmatikh dieksodos einai to dhmosio......
....h alhtheia bebaia einai oti h idia h eyropaikh enosh k genikotera oi daneistes mas epebalan to senario ths anagkhs ton amyntikon eksoplismon ston ellhna gia na mas dinoyn daneia k na ta toys epistrefoyme piso me thn agora aeroplanon k ypobrhxion.....pou k pou petagan k mia krish sto aigaio gia na mas peisoyn gia thn anagaiothta ayth.....

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MilitaryRaiden
25-04-2010, 11:25
poly kalo k sosto to arthro...alla den apantaei se ena basiko erothma......
me poion tropo tha mporesei h ellada na ginei paragogikh ? ti na paragei afoy den yparxoun oi analoges ypodomes ...?

ena megalo problhma ths elladas einai oti mexri tora to kratos esproxne ton pilith na ginei dhmosios ypallhlos......
.....einai tragiko ayto poy symbainei sthn 2bathmia ekpaideysh poy molis to 20% ton sxoleion einai texnika lykeia k sxoles k to 80% genika lykeia eno sthn ypoloiph eyroph ta pososta einai 60% texnika k 40 genikon spoydon....ayto fysika eggyte sto gegonos oti gia na leitoyrghsei ena texniko sxoleio xreiazete ta analoga mhxanhmata k ypodomes poy einai oikonomika mh symferonta gia thn oikonomia toy kratoys..k bebaia sta yparxonta texnika lykeia ta mhxanhmata einai aparxaiomena k se elaxistes periptoseis aggizoyn tis nees texnologies...... to ellhniko kratos protimhse na ksodeyei to megalytero meros toy proypologimoy toy stoys axrhstoys sthn oysia eksoplismoys toy stratoy para sthn paideia....
exei gemisei h ellada filologoys, logistes k,psixologoys ktl poy h monh toys epaggelmatikh dieksodos einai to dhmosio......
....h alhtheia bebaia einai oti h idia h eyropaikh enosh k genikotera oi daneistes mas epebalan to senario ths anagkhs ton amyntikon eksoplismon ston ellhna gia na mas dinoyn daneia k na ta toys epistrefoyme piso me thn agora aeroplanon k ypobrhxion.....pou k pou petagan k mia krish sto aigaio gia na mas peisoyn gia thn anagaiothta ayth.....

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Tin kaki mas eksoteriki politiki den mas tin epevale oudeis - eftixos esxatos allaksame tropario ke andi na andiparatithemetha me Tourkia vazoume allous na ftiarisoune skato p.x. sto thema tis endaksiakis tis porias: "peraste" leme emeis ke trexoun oi Germanoi ke oi Galloi ke den ftanoun.

Oso gia paragogi: apo agrotika ke ktinotrofia eos ixthiokalliergies ke tourismo exoume megales dinatotites alla exoun oloi gini pleoh dimosioi ipalliloi tis gis...

Gia tous filologous: afou moni dieksodo vlepoyn to dimosio mias ke den dianoounde allou idous epixeirimatikotita (apo ekdotikes epixeiriseis klasikon spoudon mexri iditika panepistimua-sxoles opos andistixes tou eksoterikou) e, as loustoume ta epixeira tis axristias mas...

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25-04-2010, 11:51
afoy den epebale kaneis thn eksoterikh mas politikh k tis dapanes stoys amyntikoys eksoplismoys (giati ekei estiazo) pos ekshgeis to gegonos oti kathe periodo poy h ellada diapragmateyete thn agora oplikon sythmaton tygxanei sxedon thn idia stigmh na exoyme k kapoio episodio sto aigaio hte me parabiaseis hte me okeanografika ton toyrkon pou apofasizoun na bgoun bolta.....
poia paragoh ston agrotiko tomea otan tonoi agrotikon proionton petagonte sta skoypidia logo ths kratikhs anikanothtas na dioxeteythoyn sthn agora (egxoria h eyropaikh) k osa kataferoyn na dioxeteythoyn to kerdos na to exoun oi mesazontes k oxi o agroths me thn siophrh apodoxh toy kratoys.....
an oi toses xiliades filologoi k oi alloi tosoi poy apofoitoyn kathe xrono anoigan k ena panepisthmio tha eixame gemisei ekatomyria filologoys afoy ta ptyxia tha ta moirazan deksia k aristera gia na mporesoun na epibiosoun.....

eksakoloutho na pisteyo oti to lathos ths plithoras ton dhmosion ypallhlon exei tis rizes toy sthn 2batmia ekpaideysh gia toys proanaferthentes logoys

MilitaryRaiden
25-04-2010, 12:16
afoy den epebale kaneis thn eksoterikh mas politikh k tis dapanes stoys amyntikoys eksoplismoys (giati ekei estiazo) pos ekshgeis to gegonos oti kathe periodo poy h ellada diapragmateyete thn agora oplikon sythmaton tygxanei sxedon thn idia stigmh na exoyme k kapoio episodio sto aigaio hte me parabiaseis hte me okeanografika ton toyrkon pou apofasizoun na bgoun bolta.....
poia paragoh ston agrotiko tomea otan tonoi agrotikon proionton petagonte sta skoypidia logo ths kratikhs anikanothtas na dioxeteythoyn sthn agora (egxoria h eyropaikh) k osa kataferoyn na dioxeteythoyn to kerdos na to exoun oi mesazontes k oxi o agroths me thn siophrh apodoxh toy kratoys.....
an oi toses xiliades filologoi k oi alloi tosoi poy apofoitoyn kathe xrono anoigan k ena panepisthmio tha eixame gemisei ekatomyria filologoys afoy ta ptyxia tha ta moirazan deksia k aristera gia na mporesoun na epibiosoun.....

eksakoloutho na pisteyo oti to lathos ths plithoras ton dhmosion ypallhlon exei tis rizes toy sthn 2batmia ekpaideysh gia toys proanaferthentes logoys

I Nounou eine i ollandiki PASEGES - den exei omos ta xalia tou dikou mas agrotikou sineterismou... Kakos ta perimenete ola apo to kratos: afou den endiaferonde i idioi i agrotes na paraksoun proionda me xamilotero kostos meso neon texnikon paragogis, tipopoiiseos ke diakiniseos para mono na trone tis epidotiseis aksioi tis tixis tous eine. Exe ipopsin pos polles fores oi "mesazondes" eine oi idioi oi paragogi eidika stis laikes agores. Ke pali omos an den eine ikanoi i idioi na sineteristoun ke na pane na poulisoun monoi tous ap'efthias stin esoteriki ke kirios stin eksoteriki agora ta proionda tous as kopsoun ta lariggia tous.

To megalitero lathos tis dimosias ekpedefseos eine pou den dexete aksiologisi ke pou epitrepei se tosous profanos iperarithmous ki en telei axristous "foitites" na mbenoun se sxoles ke na teleionoun opote tous kapnisi.
Oso gia tis texnikes sxoles distixos stin ellada eine oxi mono o eksoplismos alla ke to spoudastiko soma metriou epipedou distixos.

Oi Tourkoi mboroun na kanoun o,ti theloun alla ekei eggeite ke i xrisimotita efious eksoterikis politikis. Sto kato-kato i vizantini aftokratoria an ke stratiotikos adinami en sxesei me ti ditiki romaiki aftokratoria ke me safos iperarithmous exthrous, ektetamena diavlita sinora ke diafora eggeni provlumata epeviose tis aloseos tis ditikis kata 8 ke pleon eones.

Den stirixtike se eksoplismous alla se eksipni diplomatia ke kirios anagnorizondas pos oi exthroi tou simera tha eine oi simmaxoi tou avrio (a, re MGS3...!) ke thetondas tous exthrous ton exthron tis se andiparathesi makria ap'ta dika tis sinora.

Afou omos den exoume miala gia tetoia as ta xosoume se eksoplismous...

jimspy
25-04-2010, 12:24
.......oi nees texnikes paragoghs k tipopoihsh apaitoun k thn analogh ekpaideysh bebaia.....
gia ayto theto to problhma sthn ekpaideysh....
en telei den diafono mazi soy ....k to pao akoma parapera opos exo proanaferei ... mono meso aytoorganoshs k aytonomias se olous toys tomeis (georgikoi synaiterismoi ktl) tha mporesei na pathsei sta podia toy o poliths k na niosei kyriarxos toy eaytoy toy...oso basizomaste k sthrizoume toys mhxanismoys toy kratoys toso pio poly tha eimaste ermaia ths anikanothtas toy ......

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25-04-2010, 12:36
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25-04-2010, 18:35
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26-04-2010, 01:23
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26-04-2010, 02:43
eixe pei k ena allo o diderot an thymame kala .....''o anthropos den tha einai pote elytheros mexri o teleytaios basilias na straggalistei apo ta entera toy teleytaioy papa''.....kapos etsi ....asxeto alla to thimithika mias k anaferthike o sygkekrimenos....

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26-04-2010, 03:48
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26-04-2010, 15:46
eixe pei k ena allo o diderot an thymame kala .....''o anthropos den tha einai pote elytheros mexri o teleytaios basilias na straggalistei apo ta entera toy teleytaioy papa''.....kapos etsi ....asxeto alla to thimithika mias k anaferthike o sygkekrimenos....

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26-04-2010, 20:14
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26-04-2010, 20:18
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26-04-2010, 20:20
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26-04-2010, 20:28
OK, - moderator ( Darkuss) way offtopic...

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26-04-2010, 21:56
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26-04-2010, 22:36
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26-04-2010, 23:54
....an h ellada apotyxei na antapekselthei ton katastaseon afto tha exei antiktypo se olh thn eyroph.......h eyropaikh enosh ousiastika katareei k mazi me aythn k to euro..ayto poy den mporo na katalabo einai o rolos ths germanias se ayto to paixnidi k h arnhtikotita ths apenanti se bohtheia sthn ellada....an synexisei thn idia politikh den tha arghsei h ora poy ola ta krath tha gyrisoyn sta ethnika toys nomismata....

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27-04-2010, 00:11
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27-04-2010, 00:11
ego proteino na mpoun fylakh k osoi exoun balei bysma sto strato ,osoi exoun balei bysma gia mia adeia ergasias, osoi exoyn balei bysma gia kalyterh perithalpsh, osoi exoyn dosei fakelakia se giatroys dikigorous ktl....
etsi tha meino mono ego k alloi 5 6 eleytheroi se mia xora aperanth fylakh.....

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27-04-2010, 01:28
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27-04-2010, 01:32
....an h ellada apotyxei na antapekselthei ton katastaseon afto tha exei antiktypo se olh thn eyroph.......h eyropaikh enosh ousiastika katareei k mazi me aythn k to euro..ayto poy den mporo na katalabo einai o rolos ths germanias se ayto to paixnidi k h arnhtikotita ths apenanti se bohtheia sthn ellada....an synexisei thn idia politikh den tha arghsei h ora poy ola ta krath tha gyrisoyn sta ethnika toys nomismata....

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27-04-2010, 01:46
den nomizo oti einai toso apla ta pragmata ..theoro yperbolh na odhgeis me sthenos mia xora melos ths ee sto dnt k na to bazeis etsi mesa sthn ee mono k mono gia proeklogika tertipia.....oles oi xores tis e.e exoyn diogkosei ta problhmata toys apo oti thn pro eyro epoxh....h apotyxia toy euro einai emfanhs ....h anergia kalpazei se olh thn eyroph k ta xreh ayksanonte.....h germania logo deutche bank (thygatrikhs ths pagk.trapezas k toy dnt) paizei to paixnidi toy dnt....ayth h theoria pou gia mena exei bash odhgei sto symperasma oti h germania gia allh mia fora h germania einai o doureios ippos sthn eyroph....
des to olo ....h des ta 3 teleytaia lepta...peripou..pou einai to oraio ths ypotheshs....
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phaerun
27-04-2010, 02:20
den nomizo oti einai toso apla ta pragmata ..theoro yperbolh na odhgeis me sthenos mia xora melos ths ee sto dnt k na to bazeis etsi mesa sthn ee mono k mono gia proeklogika tertipia.....oles oi xores tis e.e exoyn diogkosei ta problhmata toys apo oti thn pro eyro epoxh....h apotyxia toy euro einai emfanhs ....h anergia kalpazei se olh thn eyroph k ta xreh ayksanonte.....h germania logo deutche bank (thygatrikhs ths pagk.trapezas k toy dnt) paizei to paixnidi toy dnt....ayth h theoria pou gia mena exei bash odhgei sto symperasma oti h germania gia allh mia fora h germania einai o doureios ippos sthn eyroph....
des to olo ....h des ta 3 teleytaia lepta...peripou..pou einai to oraio ths ypotheshs....


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27-04-2010, 02:34
ma to thema einai poios tha mas exei ston elegxo...h ee opos tha eprepe h to DNT..poy theoritika toylaxiston einai ksenos organismos apenanti sthn ee......
me ayton ton tropo den xanei thn aksiopistia ths k megalo meros ths dynamhs ths h ee.?....
ekei einai to thema oti ayto pou egine me emas tha ginei k me thn italia ispania portogalia kai se olo k perissotera krath ...meta leitoyrgei ntomino
. h ee tha papsei na askei ton elegxo k h h agorastikh ikanothta ton politon logo ton metron poy tha epibalei to dnt tha einai elaxisth me synepakoloytho aytoy ekatomyria xamenoi katanalotes sthn ee....ara terastia meiosh kukloforias euro sthn eyropaikh agora.....ola ayta eksanthenoun to eyro me apotelesma thn apotyxia toy....k thn anagkastikh epistrofh se ethnika nomismata ..

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27-04-2010, 02:41
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27-04-2010, 02:45
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27-04-2010, 02:46
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27-04-2010, 02:50
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27-04-2010, 02:50
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27-04-2010, 02:58
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27-04-2010, 03:01
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tora amerikanoi, ebraioi, nefelim, masonoi k pagkosmies kybernhseis erxonte deytera.. to thema einai oti oi perissoteroi blepoun epistrofh sto ethniko nomisma amesa h emmesa k sthn apotyxia ths ee.......

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27-04-2010, 03:03
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27-04-2010, 03:17
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27-04-2010, 03:18
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vasses
27-04-2010, 03:24
ma to thema otan akoys mia theoria einai na breis koina stoixeia me alles theories gia to antikeimeno gia na bgaleis to pio pithano senario.... koina stoixeia exei k ayth h theoreia ...apla allazei ta antikeimena k ypokeimena.....http://tsak-giorgis.blogspot.com/2010/04/blog-post_3588.html..... k alloi polloi aneksartitos politikhs taytothtas ta idia lene me alla logia k onomata....
tora amerikanoi, ebraioi, nefelim, masonoi k pagkosmies kybernhseis erxonte deytera.. to thema einai oti oi perissoteroi blepoun epistrofh sto ethniko nomisma amesa h emmesa k sthn apotyxia ths ee.......

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27-04-2010, 03:25
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etsi tha meino mono ego k alloi 5 6 eleytheroi se mia xora aperanth fylakh.....

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27-04-2010, 11:35
den katalabes....gia mena timioi anthropoi den einai mono osoi den ebalan bysma gia na mpoun sto dhmosio....k tempelhdes den einai mono osoi ebalan bysma gia na mpoun sto dhmosio......tempelhdes k timioi yparxoyn pantoy ...
.....theoro oti ayth h petyxhmenh (apo oti blepo) prospatheia poy tosa xronia prospathoyn na perasoyn ta mme gia na diaxorisoyn toys ergazomenous se dhmosioys-atimous-tempelides-pronomioyxous k idiotikoys-timioys-ergatikous-mh pronomioyxous exei skopo na apodynamosei thn synoxh ton ergazomenon k na dhmioyrghsei xasma anamesa toys .....
to xasma ayto ton mono poy eksyphretei einai to kefalaio.....oi idiotikoi ypallhloi analononte me to na kathgoroun toys dhmosioys (mono k mono epeidh exoyn ta ergasiaka dikaiomata pou orizei to syntagma k nomos ) anti na prospathisoun na kerdisoun k aytoi ayta pou dikaioynte......
... epishs den nomizo oti lysh einai na matosoun oi dhmosioi ypalhloi k na mpoun fylakh epeidh to idio to kratos k to politiko systhma toys estrepse sto dhmosio opos proanafero se allo post (sxetiko me thn ekpaideush) ayth h nootropia den krybei tipota allo ektos apo zhlia fthono k anorimothta.....
den nomizo oti yparxei ellhnas pou na mhn exei kapoion gnosto, filo , syggenh poy na mhn exei xrhsimopoieisei kapoio bysma sthn zoh toy ara to na mpoyne oloi aytoi fulakh opos apaiteis to mono pou tha ginotan h ellada tha htan ena ''sofronistiko'' katasthma........k telos gia thn katastash ths oikonomias k ths xoras den ftaine oi dhmosioi ypallhloi alla oi idiotikes epixeirhseis k h kato apo to trapezi syndiallagh toys me to kratos gia erga k mizes poy panta menoun atimorhtes(px. siemens, kataskeyastikes ktl)....alla gia ola ayta ta mme poy eksyphretoyn ta analoga symferonta kanoyn ta straba matia k pernane sto ntoykoy to kleisimo ton ypotheseon ayton eno antitheta rixnoun oles tis eythines oxi stoys grafeokratikoys mhxanismoys toy dhmosioy alla stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys gia na petyxainoyn eykola thn diogkosh tou xasmatos k ton diaxorismo ton ergazomenon......

ps...ama meinoun 100000 dhm.ypallhloi tha kaneis tria xronia gia na pareis mia bebaiosh enshmon apo to ika , 5 xronia gia adeia oikodomhs apo thn poleodomia , 4 xronia gia na bgei to diabathrio sou k kathe sxolikh taksh tha exei 80 mathites eno tha kleisoei agnostos aritmos sxoleion k iatrikon kentron k allon yphrhsion........mia xara.....

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27-04-2010, 23:37
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